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WookieMan says

Understand marketing folks. Doesn't have to be all cocky. It can be negative towards a competitor. People can be in a bad place and bought off. True whistleblowers get the job done without anyone knowing their identity. There's dozens of things I could bring up against my former employer or clients. Guess what? No one would know it was me.

Have you ever done it?

I have.

This guy better get a food taster, a brake inspector, and a squad of former Gurkhas

It's only a problem if you can't eliminate the whistle blowers faster than they crop up. Was Boeing incompetence supposed to be a puzzle piece in some Globalist false flag atrocity? Why mobilize the assassin militias this assiduously?

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Notice there is no diversity among the Boeing whistleblowers. They are all white men, and they appear to be at least 40 years of age.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/04/us-news/boeing-faces-10-more-whistleblowers-after-two-die/

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UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

For the record -- for what that is even worth -- I don't think that Boeing execs or mgmt offed the whistleblowers. I think Deep State fucks with interest in not seeing Boeing go down did. Remember, Boeing is big in Deep State defense and aerospace shit as well.

Or, they simply don't want investigators seriously digging into Boeing's biz. Yeah, that's more likely.

AD says

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Notice there is no diversity among the Boeing whistleblowers. They are all white men, and they appear to be at least 40 years of age.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/04/us-news/boeing-faces-10-more-whistleblowers-after-two-die/

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Could that just be an outcome of how the old guard are the only ones who know their shit enough these days to even be whistleblowers in the first place?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-sales-tumble-company-gets-151533286.html

The_Deplorable says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-sales-tumble-company-gets-151533286.html

Well, duh! I say. I mean, nobody needed to post this on the Predictions thread to see the coming.

I guess what we should bey on is when the bailout comes and for how much.

Hindu SW is dirt cheap but poor quality.
Americans are stupid to get their SW made by people who think “A monkey can fly without wings and also carry mountain” they don’t need air planes.

For Hindu:
🐒 > ✈️

There's an incident reported today (June 13) about a Southwest 737 MAX spontaneously going into a Dutch Roll.

B.A.C.A.H. says

"There's an incident reported today (June 13) about a Southwest 737 MAX
spontaneously going into a Dutch Roll."

Boeing 737 Max Jet Grounded After 'Dutch Roll'
A Boeing passenger jet has been grounded after experiencing a rare "Dutch roll" while in flight
from Phoenix to Oakland. While at 32,000 feet, the year-old Southwest Airlines 737 Max 8
experienced the issue, which involves "tail-wagging" and the aircraft rocking side-to-side...

https://www.newsweek.com/boeing-737-southwest-grounded-dutch-roll-1912503

Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max sustains 'substantial' damage from "Dutch roll" incident.

In short, the 737 Max has another stability problem.

According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the plane sustained "substantial" damage to its tail section as a result of the maneuver, although it was able to complete the flight. The damage was only discovered during a post-flight inspection. The rudder’s standby power control unit (PCU) was damaged. The standby PCU is a backup system in case the main rudder power unit becomes inoperable.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/southwest-airlines-boeing-737-max-154528552.html

Boeing Investigates Another Quality Problem On Undelivered 787s

Boeing is investigating a new quality problem with its 787 Dreamliner after discovering that hundreds of fasteners have been incorrectly installed on the fuselages of these jets...

The latest problem was discovered at the South Carolina plant where the 787’s lightweight carbon-composite skin is attached to skeletal supports inside the fuselage sections called longerons. In a nutshell, the affected fasteners had been torqued from the wrong side, using the head instead of the associated nut.

https://www.oann.com/business/exclusive-boeing-investigates-quality-problem-on-undelivered-787s-sources-say/

In this morning's news, a 737 MAX pitched up and down after takeoff from an airport in Hawaii. Sound familiar?

We were told those penny-pinching design problems were fixed by now.

B.A.C.A.H. says

In this morning's news, a 737 MAX pitched up and down after takeoff from an airport in Hawaii. Sound familiar?

Didn't crash. Training is a thing, it worked. Only reason this shit gets reported is because everyone has a computer with them. All these reports are basic issues that happen everyday in aviation. The door situation was bad, but I generally put more blame on Alaskan Airline for that and maintenance. It had already been in service and to keep reputation they blamed it on the manufacturer. They likely never inspected a non-functioning door and that's on them.

I was part of the Tikata airbag recall. Sure Nissan put it in the car, but I was informed and fixed it. One door on many planes. One airbag and the recall replacement was free. People should be up in arms with Cessna and Piper.... https://www.cliffordlaw.com/aviation-accidents-and-incidents/#:~:text=Which%20airplanes%20crash%20the%20most,crashes%20than%20any%20other%20aircraft.

No one will build a thing anymore if attacked like this. Or it's a corporate attack. Airbus being the prime suspect. This is done all the time in any industry. Was hanging out with another family last night. Grown ass man. 47. He won't fly because of shit like this. It's literally the safest form of transportation. No one even got hurt in the door incident besides someone that was lawsuit horny likely. "Trauma."

This is clearly a short onslaught of Boeing stock. Someone convince me otherwise. 1,000's of their planes are in the air daily.

My cousin fly's them. He said it's really easy to avoid any problems with that system. There is some sort of stick thing on the floor that moves back and forth and all you have to do is slap it and it shuts off. He sent me a video once but I don't have time to try to find it right now.

He said the crashes in other parts of the world were due to lack of training.

That being said I've been trying to get him to retire early due to DEI and all of the other problems with Boeing. He's making 500K/year for a while now and has plenty of money. Our uncle who was also an airline pilot retired early during the covid shit.

just_passing_through says

He said the crashes in other parts of the world were due to lack of training.

FAA is one of the few government agencies that does a pretty good job. Even for a drone it's somewhat difficult to get a license. I was fine, but could totally see how 90% of people I know wouldn't pass for a toy.

American trained pilots are some of the best when you throw in military. I have zero concern flying with any airline in North America. You're more at risk driving to the airport. I think the door incident was an outlier and is on Alaska Airlines.

just_passing_through says

"He said the crashes in other parts of the world were due to lack of training."

This is impossible.

Impossible because Boeing did not inform the airlines and the pilots that the 737 MAX was
unstable. Boeing did not even mention this in the pilot manual. So, how did you expect
the airlines to train their pilots about a problem they know nothing about?

It was Boeing's responsibility to provide such pilot training but they decided to save money
and kept this a secret. That is why they were found liable for the crashes.

The_Deplorable says

Impossible because Boeing did not inform the airlines and the pilots that the 737 MAX was
unstable. Boeing did not even mention this in the pilot manual. So, how did you expect
the airlines to train their pilots about a problem they know nothing about?

Read up on the subject. Not what corporate news media puts out. Watch some videos from some of the most respected crash analyst that are pilots. Pretty sure I've already posted on it in this thread. Being held liable doesn't mean they weren't poorly trained pilots though. This is legal stuff because the insurance companies on the planes/airlines didn't want to pay out a couple billion dollars for the planes and families. They had to find anything to blame Boeing. Legal and insurance 101. They blame the pilots, no one flies their airlines.

Was it an issue? I guess for poorly trained pilots, but not from data from non-news people to get click bait articles and what I've read. There are procedures to take basic control of the plane though even if you didn't know MCAS was part of the plane. We had more delivered here in the US and were flying before being grounded. 0 crashes. There weren't many in service so US pilots had an exponentially higher chance of crashing. They didn't. Basic math and stats.

Just because you fly a big jet doesn't mean you're good at it even in different and older 737 models. General aviation is where most crashes happen, but overseas they simply have a poor track record outside of maybe Europe. It's like any industry and then throw in a language barrier and different level of basic training, not just on a specific plane and we got this situation.

You don't have to believe me, I don't care. This is a legal issue because of poor piloting. US pilots have attested to this that flew the MAX before grounding. I'm not sure what incentive they'd have to defend Boeing OR keep flying their planes if they didn't trust them. "Whistle blowers" were disgruntled employees or thought they had an opportunity to make money. We don't hear about it, but a Walmart employee probably kills themselves weekly.

Fact is it's the safest mode of transportation. Don't fly on one if you're scared. I definitely won't fly shit foreign airlines though knowing the process here and how it lacks in other countries. And yes, you have to believe this user is an actual pilot, but this is a detailed explanation how to stop MCAS. It was pilot error and insurance companies not wanting to pay. No one on this thread has proven otherwise. https://www.quora.com/Why-would-Boeing-ever-install-an-MCAS-system-in-the-737-Max-8-that-disallows-the-pilot-to-override-it

I can post more links to pilots talking or shooting videos on the topics if you want. 99% of my flights are on 737's. It freaked me out a touch until I researched it. It's media bull shit besides the door issue, but it was a strange configuration for the model.

TL:DR - Classic media overhype to get clicks that know nothing about a topic or researched it. Big company, big clicks/views and media revenue.

The_Deplorable says

Impossible because Boeing did not inform the airlines and the pilots that the 737 MAX was
unstable. Boeing did not even mention this in the pilot manual. So, how did you expect
the airlines to train their pilots about a problem they know nothing about?

WookieMan says

There are procedures to take basic control of the plane

The World's Leading Authority on aviation has spoken, Deplorable.

WookieMan, thanks for the link.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The World's Leading Authority on aviation has spoken, Deplorable.

I'll state again, at no point has anyone countered a single thing I've said. A link. Anything. I've posted video links. Don't watch them, fine. Don't click on the most recent one. Laziness is a bad trait. Whether is was in a manual, or mentioned by Boeing, there 100% was a way to override the system. Prove me wrong.... I'll wait. Knowing the system or not didn't matter. It's flying that class of plane.

If you guys want to bitch about Boeing, go for it. Back it up with some facts. Those pilots overseas fucked up. Insurance companies found a new system in the upgraded 737 and blamed Boeing for what was pilot error. Again, prove me wrong and I'll shut up.

WookieMan says

If you guys want to bitch about Boeing

Sorry Wookie, I neglected to mention also The World's Leading Expert on Heavy Manufacturing and Top Management Malfeasance.

My bad.

just_passing_through says

"My cousin fly's them... He said the crashes in other parts of the
world were due to lack of training."

That is Impossible because Boeing did not inform the airlines and the pilots that the 737 MAX
was unstable. Boeing did not even mention this in the pilot manual. So, how did you expect
the airlines to train their pilots about a problem they know nothing about?

WookieMan says

"Read up on the subject."

I did:

U.S. Senator and pilot Tammy Duckworth Calls on FAA to Review Boeing’s Disturbing
Pattern of Failing to Disclose Critical 737 MAX Safety Information to Pilots. Duckworth cited
as one example Boeing’s earlier decision, to not include the Maneuvering Characteristics
Augmentation System (MCAS) in the 737 MAX 8 flight manual, which left the flight crew on
Lion Air flight 610 unaware of what was forcing their aircraft into a nose-dive. MCAS ultimately
caused Lion flight 610’s crash, killing all 189 humans on board that 2018 flight. A second
MCAS-related crash followed in 2019, raising the 737 MAX death toll to 346 people.
https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/news/press-releases/duckworth-calls-on-faa-to-review-boeings-disturbing-pattern-of-failing-to-disclose-critical-737-max-safety-information-to-pilots

The_Deplorable says

U.S. Senator and pilot Tammy Duckworth

Lost all credibility there dude. If you're able meet your House Reps and Senators please do it and you wouldn't quote a thing she says. She is my Senator... sadly. So I didn't read the rest because I know it's horse shit.

She was an Obama puppet with no leg pawned to get a Senate seat. She's a fucking idiot dude having talked to her. She has no clue what she's talking about. She wasn't a pilot of fixed wing aircraft when she lost her leg... get to the choppa, now. She's the female McCain really thinking about it. She lost her leg because she sucked at her job.

I'm not going to keep posting links that literally show you instructions how to disable ANY system whether known or not. If something is off you are TRAINED to solve it. There was a solution regardless to not crash the planes. You're not getting the point. MCAS or not, a pilot can take control of the plane. That's fact.

Please don't ever quote Tammy Duckworth again. Hell, almost any government official. Again, she's my Senator and I have personal experience with her. Even though IL is conceived as a shit hole, we do politics illegally at the highest level. She's a 10th level dip shit and this isn't a D or R thing. She was a first wave DEI military hire that knows nothing.

Interesting article discussing the impact of software on modern airplane design - and why we use software as a shortcut to fix design shortcomings.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-the-boeing-737-max-disaster-looks-to-a-software-developer

krc says

Interesting article discussing the impact of software on modern airplane design - and why we use software as a shortcut to fix design shortcomings.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-the-boeing-737-max-disaster-looks-to-a-software-developer

Software is fine. Can be overridden. I'd take a quote like this from the article with a grain of salt.

"In response to the company’s near-crisis state, The Los Angeles Times reported on 30 Jan. that a former Boeing manager has publicly stated his aversion to ever flying on the redesigned 737. “I would absolutely not fly a Max airplance,”

Not me fucking with copy and paste either. This is your news media. Also it's a manager, not a pilot or maintenance staff or engineering. They know nothing. They manage people to do their job. They know squat about the aircraft. It's a different skill set.

Most white collar employees have no clue how to change a tire let alone build a plane that's been built for half a century.

WookieMan says

"Lost all credibility there dude... Please don't ever quote Tammy
Duckworth again."

WookieMan, This is an ad hominem attack against Tammy Duckworth and you are
saying in effect, that you cannot reply to Tammy Duckworth's argument. You are, in
other words, validating the Tammy Duckworth argument.

Again, Duckworth cited as one example Boeing’s earlier decision, to not include the
Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) in the 737 MAX 8 flight
manual, which left the flight crew on Lion Air flight 610 unaware of what was forcing
their aircraft into a nose-dive. MCAS ultimately caused Lion flight 610’s crash, killing
all 189 humans on board that 2018 flight. A second MCAS-related crash followed in
2019, raising the 737 MAX death toll to 346 people.
https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/news/press-releases/duckworth-calls-on-faa-to-review-boeings-disturbing-pattern-of-failing-to-disclose-critical-737-max-safety-information-to-pilots

Question: Is this true? Yes or No? Did Boeing inform the airlines and the pilots about
the MCAS system? Answer: No!

WookieMan says

I'd take a quote like this from the article with a grain of salt

Agree. I was just posting the article because it really discusses the impact of moving from known mechanical systems to fly by wire.
I think airbus was the first with fly by wire. And as things rely more on computers and therefore coders, more people are removed from the actual
"airplane" development. Software is a "quick fix" at times but can cover up hardware design flaws. A software engineer will go "I can fix this" with
a subroutine to do x - when really they should be challenging the hardware team if this is even appropriate or "good design".

WookieMan says

She's a fucking idiot

She has no clue what she's talking about.

She lost her leg because she sucked at her job.

The_Deplorable: Don't you know The World's Leading Expert On Aviation and Military Combat has spoken?
Is He a pilot? An aerospace engineer? Combat Veteran? Just asking.

The_Deplorable says

This is an ad hominem attack against Tammy Duckworth

B.A.C.A.H. says

"The_Deplorable: Don't you know The World's Leading Expert On
Aviation and Military Combat has spoken? Is He a pilot? An aerospace engineer?
Combat Veteran? Just asking."

B.A.C.A.H., this is another ad hominem attack and you are admitting that you cannot
respond to my argument - that Boeing did not inform the airlines and the pilots about the
presence of the MCAS system on the 737 MAX and that is why Boeing was found
criminally liable for the crashes.