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The_Deplorable says

No because Boeing is now building airplanes with parts that do not meet specs. Recall
that they fired the Quality Control Engineers to eliminate delays during assembly. So
now they are using large hammers during assembly to make parts fit. You cannot
blame the pilots for this.

Check out the early reports on people that know this stuff. It was pilot error. They did a go around. They didn't check the landing gear. There are 3 backups for the gear including manual. Had nothing to do with hydraulic failure on the aircraft which is what media is running with.

They also came in hot if you watch the videos and way too far down the runway for an emergency land if the gear was out. A bird strike doesn't matter on one engine will little fuel. You also put it in the grass for friction not the runway if you were retarded enough not to figure out the gear. They failed both. Pilot error. 100%. Call me out if I'm wrong. They landed without flaps which also could be controlled manually. There's really no other excuse beside language barrier with training or low hours. Pilot error.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj6x1py912o

I manage to land in planes in one of the hardest airports to land in. Midway. Concrete walls all around. Houses with no place to land in an emergency. Lake Michigan being your next best option and that's still 9 miles away roughly so you need altitude to glide. If they were too dumb to not figure out the landing gear they should have put it in the nearby water and avoided explosion like Sully did. You pay insurance for a reason. The pilots worried about losing their jobs and not saving lives and the errors kept compounding and killed themselves with an awful "emergency" landing.

This thread will still be around. Call me out IF I'm wrong. I'll own it.

WookieMan says

Check out the early reports on people that know this stuff. It was pilot error. They did a go around. They didn't check the landing gear. There are 3 backups for the gear including manual. Had nothing to do with hydraulic failure on the aircraft which is what media is running with.

The backups were coded by H1Bs,

The_Deplorable says

https://www.latintimes.com/day-aviation-disasters-shocks-world-3-countries-boeing-737-plane-crashes-570629

Yeah, 3 planes, all the same newly developed model, crashing all over the world in 24 hours.

What it is not, is pilot error.

AmericanKulak says

The_Deplorable says

https://www.latintimes.com/day-aviation-disasters-shocks-world-3-countries-boeing-737-plane-crashes-570629

Yeah, 3 planes, all the same newly developed model, crashing all over the world in 24 hours.

What it is not, is pilot error.

It's pilot error and not going through the checklist. Is it car error when you hit someone? Just blame the car? No, it's your fault 10 out of 10 times. You made a mistake or someone else did. I don't understand this random standard on aviation that you can't blame the pilots, but the aircraft.

So 6 humans made a mistake in 24 hours. Guess what, a lot more than 6 did and more people are dead by a long shot. 1,000 people probably will die tonight in auto accidents. Is that Chevy, GMC, Honda, Toyota, etc. fault?

Also note how all these 737 accidents are foreign pilots. Maybe the language barrier is an issue, but there's a theme. Pilot error. American pilots handled MCAS with no issues. They handle the plane with no issue. All the fatal and dip shit landings are foreign pilots. Maybe Boeing has a training issue, but ultimately that's on the airline to hire someone with dual language skills. Not the plane.

WookieMan says

that's on the airline to hire someone with dual language skills.

All control towers all over the world speak in English and English fluency is required for all pilots who fly in controlled airspace. AlI the enroute air traffic controllers or airport control towers I have talked to in Turkey, Greece, Italy, Germany, France, Japan, and Philippines conversed with everyone in English. Now sometimes they would greet or well wish in the local language but all official talk such as clearances, altitudes, or vectors were strictly in English. Ironically, London Center was the hardest to understand due to the accent.

HeadSet says

All control towers all over the world speak in English

I know. I'm talking about the training on the aircraft itself. English as a 2nd language does not mean you're proficient in how to fly the plane or understand all the features. Lost in translation so to speak. Which leads to pilot error.

No one has to agree with me, but when the reports come out I'll be 100% right. It was the exact same thing with MCAS and Ethiopian Air and the other airline that I'm forgetting the name of. Foreign pilots are simply not trained the same. You think someone from Boeing that speaks Ethiopian or whatever language could train them in a 2nd or 3rd language? Or Korean? No chance.

American pilots knew how to override it. Was it a good system, no, but they did know how to take over controls if something was wrong, yes. That's also 100% fact. Why is this all happening in Asia or Africa? There's a common denominator. Pilots with English as a 2nd language.

We have substantially more flights stateside at some difficult airports. Nothing in years. Maybe decades outside of a small commuter jet with low pilot hours and 9/11. There are plane crashes everyday due to pilot error. This one gets attention because of the casualties.

Assuming the gear was 100% f'd up, they still burned up 1/3rd of the runway for an emergency no wheel landing. This kind of seems like the Lionair incident in Europe where the pilot just crashed into a mountain. https://youtu.be/BzmptA6s-1g?si=sURhdjRqIBZFW6RG

Basically if you watch the full thing it's extremely likely pilot error. They could have lowered the landing gear and used brakes. They didn't on the first go around. Flaps working. They weren't properly trained on this plane. Again if a bird strike you put it in the water. No explosion. Some people get whiplash but 90% can walk away. This seemed intentional as mentioned. We'll see what the "black box" has to say about it.