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But think of the diversity of their workforce!

Isn't that worth a plane fire now and then?

Boeing doesn't make engines, so it's more like P&W, GE or RR problem.

Patrick says

But think of the diversity of their workforce!

Isn't that worth a plane fire now and then?

Well at least while the airplane nosedives to the ground they can scream diversity is our greatest strength.

https://notthebee.com/article/last-night-a-boeing-747-8-airliner-caught-fire-leaving-miami-and-someone-shot-a-video-

The Boeing 747 that caught fire was owned by Atlas Air, a cargo airline, so there were no passengers onboard apart from the crew. The plane, which was on its way to Puerto Rico, turned around and landed at Miami safely.

How to repair the Boeing 737

Designed by clowns and supervised by monkeys...

https://www.aol.com/problem-identified-boeing-737-max-164512048.html

AOL still exists?! Thanks for the article, but that surprised me.

I remember seeing a documentary on Chinese in Africa. The Chinese pulled the economic hit man stuff there a lot to take over districts, towns and ports.

A Chinese guy who was there and even had African concubines mocked the blacks to their faces. The Africans were very rough on vehicles, equipment and technology and broke stuff right and left, with negligible aptitude for care, maintenance or repair. The Chinese had to do the technical maintenance and repairs after foolish destruction and misuse. The Chinese guy would laugh at them for their ineptitude and didn't hide it, even when they glared at him like they wanted to chop him up with machetes. I sometimes wonder if that Chinese guy eventually did wind up in a boiling pot somewhere.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/congressman-sold-boeing-stock-hours-doj-probe-was-announced

The_Deplorable says

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/congressman-sold-boeing-stock-hours-doj-probe-was-announced

Trust me: they know exactly what dumpster they dropped his body in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA44FFi95PA

The_Deplorable says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA44FFi95PA

Lol... it was a family friend who barely saw him. Not his spouse. Not his kids. My BIL never told anyone he'd commit suicide. He seemed like he loved life, had two boys, blah blah blah. He killed himself.

My other BIL drank himself to death his whole life because he didn't make it to the MLB (baseball). We all thought it was water, but it was vodka. People end their lives differently.

Witnessed other acquaintances basically kill themselves. One woman just had a child with my friend.

Fact is you don't talk about suicide unless you contemplated doing the act. I'd be too much of a coward and pussy to do it. It's not even about family. You have to have a certain part in your brain that is hard to decipher to kill yourself.

And I'll keep going back to this. The airlines are the ones in charge of maintenance. This thread is convoluting work place safety with the actual end product. The planes are safe and 99% of the aviation mechanics are good. These designs have been around for decades with minimal issues and the safest form of transportation. Still don't get what is so hard to comprehend here. Is everyone here shorting Boeing or something? I have no financial stake, even in retirement funds. It's just logic.

WookieMan says

And I'll keep going back to this. The airlines are the ones in charge of maintenance.

He was alleging that defective products were being made.

If it's just a question of maintenance, we'll find out in time. We just have to wait for more accidents that involved primarily Boeing.

richwicks says

He was alleging that defective products were being made.

If it's just a question of maintenance, we'll find out in time. We just have to wait for more accidents that involved primarily Boeing.

Defective what? Engines are on the engine maker and airline techs. They use proven landing gear from decades of engineering. Wings, flaps have all been the same for decades. It's maintenance and pilot inspection. I've flown right seat multiple times. No expert but I know enough. I have an FAA license.

You have a door fly off due to poor maintenance and all a sudden a "whistleblower" comes out of the wood work. Has no one thought about it being a Airbus plant and he knew he was going to get caught and killed himself? I don't care what the dude said to a friend of his mom's that he wouldn't commit suicide. I don't get why people bite on shit like this...

WookieMan says

Defective what?

A door that blew off the plane, for example.

Just wait. We'll see if they have been doing defective manufacturing or not.

WookieMan says

You have a door fly off due to poor maintenance

What exactly do you have to maintain on a door? The door is designed so that when the cabin is pressurized, it cannot open.

As I said, we'll see if this is a maintenance problem or a manufacturing problem in time. Just wait.

It's a required inspection. Damn near every inch of an aircraft has an annual inspection. It should have been spotted by the airline. Fact is the airline ordered the plane in that format. It's on them to manage that feature that is useless in the first place. They knew what they ordered. They just assumed it was sealed likely and didn't check it. It wasn't even a usable emergency exit door.

Fact is they didn't want to take off the interior panel to inspect it. Between turbulence and hard landings, shit can break. There's flight data on everything. No one was checking it.

If I was off roading in our 4-Runner all the time I'd check the tires, suspension, body, engine frequently. Things break on even the best engineered stuff. You have to maintain it as the user. But hey, a guy kills himself and somehow all the recent issues are not human error in operations and maintenance, but a "whistleblower" situation. Lol.

WookieMan says

but a "whistleblower" situation. Lol.

As I have said, repeatedly, we'll find out in time.

WookieMan says

"It's a required inspection. Damn near every inch of an aircraft has an annual
inspection. It should have been spotted by the airline."

Nonsense. The incident - the MAX jet door that blew out - is a manufacturing defect because it
was not bolted down. And these bolts are not accessible to maintenance.

Bottom line: Boeing airplanes are not safe to fly. Boeing lost control of the manufacturing process
because they fired their engineers and MBAs cannot design and manufacture airplanes.

WookieMan says

"Lol... it was a family friend who barely saw him."

Irrelevant. What matters is that he verbalized this "if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide."

"After family friend Jennifer asked Barnett if he was concerned for his safety, the former quality
manager was emphatic. "Aren’t you scared?" asked Jennifer. "And he said, ‘No, I ain’t scared, but if
anything happens to me, it’s not suicide.'"

"I know that he did not commit suicide. There’s no way. He loved life too much. He loved his family too
much. He loved his brothers too much to put them through what they’re going through right now..."
Barnett’s attorneys said they’re still prepared to go forward with the case in June."

According to his attorneys, "Barnett had "exposed very serious safety problems with the Boeing 787
Dreamliner and was retaliated against and subjected to a hostile work environment" and was in the
middle of a legal deposition against Boeing.

"He was in very good spirits and really looking forward to putting this phase of his life behind him and
moving on. We didn’t see any indication he would take his own life. No one can believe it," said the attorneys."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boeing-whistleblower-if-anything-happens-me-its-not-suicide

Another Boeing Incident

"Earlier this week, at least 50 people were hurt when a LATAM Airlines Boeing 787 Dreamliner
suddenly nosedived. LATAM blamed the mid-air incident on a "technical event" without
providing further details..."

Reportedly, the pilot told one of the passengers that "Every display went blank in the cockpit
for 20 seconds..."

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/believable-wsj-attributes-latam-boeing-787s-sudden-nosedive-motorized-pilot-seat-mishap

WookieMan says

Lol... it was a family friend who barely saw him. Not his spouse. Not his kids. My BIL never told anyone he'd commit suicide. He seemed like he loved life, had two boys, blah blah blah. He killed himself.

Dude, we know, from your posts, that you love to travel by air. And we know, from your posts, that you're a loyal customer of Southwest which has all Boeing 737, including MAX.

You don't have to reflexively defend The Boeing Corporation and blame everyone else for the recent issues to enjoy the travel.

You keep harping on the mature, unchanged airframe design for the 737. The mature airframe design was not the root cause of the problems.

The root cause was the takeover in previous decades of the company's top management by people who were more focused on the Stock Price than engineering excellence and public safety. This is well documented by many who know a whole lot more about aviation and aerospace manufacturing than do any of us on patrick.net (including you).

The MAX is a deadly macrocosm of what the Non-Engineering, Stock-Price-Focused management did to the formerly run by Engineering-Excellence-Focused management company. The Stock-Price-Focused management was paranoid about losing face and losing orders to the neo 321 so they rushed through a cost-reduction Frankenstein of oversized engines onto a 1960's airplane with modifications that they dishonestly weren't forthcoming about with customers.

You can read about this crap, it's all over the media. There's also good summary in the documentary TV show "Downfall".

I am surprised that our engineer friend (yours truly here is also an engineer, as is Patrick, - we've had careers in engineering, - have you?) Richwiks did not discuss all the outsourcing of software to underpaid, exploited "coders" in India who may have been pressured, like folks on the factory floors in the US were pressured, to deliver to deadlines and at or below cost.

Get over it, bro. It's OK to be a flights-travel fanboy and even a Southwest Airlines fanboy without reflexively defending The Boeing Corporation.