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Patrick says

What were you before?

Atheist. I'm sure I have atheist crap on this board back in the day.

Thanks Jordan Petersen for kindling my interest in the deep truths in Genesis and the Bible.

When I was a tiny tot in Hawaii where my father was posted, their best friends were also in the Navy and Jewish. I really liked the father because he talked to me like I was an adult and asked me what I thought of stuff. My parents never did that, even after I went to college.

There are denominations of Christianity which place undue holiness on separation. Anchorites, Stylites, Mt. Athos, etc.

I bet they are resented for it too.

Patrick says

I bet they are resented for it too.

No doubt some of the monastery closings in the West during the Reformation Era (and the slapping around of monks and nuns in the Spanish Civil and French Revolutionary Wars), and the popular dislike for Orthodox Clerics in the East, is related to it.

No joke but in trad times, something the Reax don't engage with, is how the big organized state religions had basically a tax on people getting married, baptisms, etc.

Also I should say in Israel! Between the very Frum Hassidim and others.

I've personally heard several secular or moderately religious Jews express dismay at how the Hasidic behavior makes Jews look. Various scams, public service fraud, etc.

Legalism breeds legalism, so "It's Legal"

AmericanKulak says

Legalism breeds legalism, so "It's Legal"

'Legal' is the self-referral of imposed codes and rules, legal masturbation and legal bureaucracy. It does not mean 'lawful' aka natural law or common law. There are many things in our system that are 'legal' but not 'lawful'. They stand on foundations of fraudulent corporate theater.

Ceffer says

AmericanKulak says

Legalism breeds legalism, so "It's Legal"

'Legal' is the self-referral of imposed codes and rules, legal masturbation and legal bureaucracy. It does not mean 'lawful' aka natural law or common law. There are many things in our system that are 'legal' but not 'lawful'. They stand on foundations of fraudulent corporate theater.

There is a concerted effort to erase the memory of Common Law or Natural Law. Fucking lawyers think that they can legislate reality.

An oldie but goody:

"What do you call 10,000 lawyers drowned at the bottom of the sea? A good start."

https://www.unz.com/article/why-are-jews-so-influential/

This evolved response to external threat is often manipulated by Jewish authorities attempting to inculcate a stronger sense of group identification—for example, the messages of ever-increasing threat of anti-Semitism promulgated by the ADL — accompanied by pleas for donations.

gotta ask sometimes, what are jews doing to piss off entire world with their behavior.

Patrick says

What were you before?

Jeeze Pat, missed this too. I was Secular-Agnostic Mischling

Fortwaye says

gotta ask sometimes, what are jews doing to piss off entire world with their behavior.

Inventing technology and getting blamed for it.

"Kurwa! Now when there is a drought, I cannot fleece the nearby towns, for the dirty Jew has financed all these railroads that bring in Potato and Rye from elsewhere, keeping the price stable and ruining my near-monopoly on surplus foodstuffs!"

@Patrick, check out "Deutschephysik". Quantum Theory was Judenphysik because it removed certainties, and replaced the "Nordic Luminiferous Aether" and many Classical Mechanics (going all the way down) ideas.

Much of the "Passive Aggression" is mostly "Hey, how about the paradox" that is part of the culture.

When you have a duality situation or insight or comedic attitude, it greatly angers lineal, A is A, B is B thinkers.

It seems to annoy the "One Church" linear/traditional authority fans more than "Priesthood of all Believer" types.

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DemoralizerOfPanicans says

I was Secular-Agnostic Mischling

Mischling ersten Grades oder zweiten Grades?

https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/when-jews-fight-they-survive

In Kerstein’s discussion, the Jew-hatred of the Red-Green Alliance is “a species of spiritual nihilism…beyond rational argument.” It can’t be debated; it can only be fought. “Antisemitism can be defeated only by imposing physical consequences. ...

This demand to use violence instead of rational argument and debate is pretty much the definition of fascism.

Patrick says

Mischling ersten Grades oder zweiten Grades?

Erste

The separation thing doesn't explain the lack of hostility by most towards Amish and Hutterites and Navajo.

In Germany and Austria, the Amish and other anabaptists were actually hated and persecuted. They were accused of disloyalty because they would not fight in the army, and the established churches hated them for drawing away believers (and their donations).

I was surprised to learn that some of them were put in a cage in the center of Innsbruck and burned alive. I walked by that spot hundreds of times during my year there, but didn't know it. I don't think there's any memorial plaque.

while early Anabaptists in the 1500s were missionary-minded and suffered persecution for spreading their faith, the Amish quickly turned inward after their formation, focusing on preserving their community and purity rather than growing through conversion

So by the time they got to the US, they were no threat to any other church, and refusing to fight was a more normal thing. They also explicitly avoid politics and stick to farming.

Jews are very much into money and political power, and generally give off a hostile or contemptuous vibe towards white Christian people, which I've run into dozens of times myself. Kinda funny actually. There's this eternal game of encouraging antisemitism in passive-aggressive ways, and then claiming that antisemitism is "beyond rational argument" and can't be debated. That's the core of things right there: deliberately cause anger, and then claim that the anger is irrational as a way to justify what you wanted to do anyway.

The gypsies had an analogous thing going on, with a feedback loop of cheating or stealing from the majority population, getting chased out of town, and then using the anger against them as a justification to do those very things once again in the next town.

Among both Jews and Gypsies, there is a lack of honest introspection because that would break group solidarity. The guilt of outsiders and innocence of the in-group is always taken as axiomatic, and any attempt to actually explain the eternal mechanics in an honest way is considered unwarranted hostility in itself.

Not to say that Jews and Gypsies were not persecuted, just saying that the persecution in both cases did not come out of nowhere, and that it is absolutely essential for group solidarity to deny the obvious.

I could go on forever about this. Another insight: In every country the Jews were expelled from, the majority group and especially the nobility had large debts to Jews, and getting rid of the Jews got rid of the debts. Jews are forbidden from charging even the slightest interest to other Jews, but outsiders are fair game. That's the whole thing in a nutshell once again.

Patrick says

This demand to use violence instead of rational argument and debate is pretty much the definition of fascism.

That would be the definition of authoritarianism. Fascism is a form of socialism where the government does not own but strictly controls the means of production.

Technically true, but I see fascism as simply:

1. refusal to engage in sincere debate
2. use of violence against those who disagree

Patrick says

Technically true, but I see fascism as simply:

1. refusal to engage in sincere debate
2. use of violence against those who disagree

Those two points are merely tools that fascists use. Those tools are also used by communists, islamists, and assorted dictators.

Patrick says

Jews are very much into money and political power,

Like Burt Shavitz of Burt's Bees?

Just wait until you hear about the Whiteness, who want to be on Time, Long Time Preferences, and look for sea passages so they can greedily gorge themselves on rare spices...

It's just a variant of the Woke Narrative.

Dunno about Burt himself, but statistically, it's hard to deny Jews are money-oriented. Like Tevye sings:

If I were a rich man
Ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dum

This goes way back. Deuteronomy 15:6 says:

For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

There's some serious politics in that.

Yes, there's an analogy to be made between anti-whiteness and antisemitism.

The problem with the the ADL's strategy of disparaging white people is that whatever whites were accused of being applied even more so to the Jews. The woke crowd figured that out eventually, which accounts for all the antisemitism coming from the left now. The ADL trained the very people now attacking Jews.

The solution, imho, is unity as Americans. We should all be Americans and not hyphenated in any way. Dual passports need to go.

In a 1915 speech to the Knights of Columbus in New York City, former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt declared, "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism".

He clarified that he was not referring to naturalized Americans or those born abroad, emphasizing that some of the very best Americans he had known were naturalized citizens.

However, he argued that a "hyphenated American" — someone who identifies primarily with a foreign nationality such as German, Irish, English, French, Scandinavian, or Italian — was not a true American at all.

Roosevelt contended that Americanism was a matter of spirit and soul, requiring pure allegiance to the United States, and warned that allowing the nation to become a "tangle of squabbling nationalities" would lead to its ruin.

He stated that the only good American was one who was "an American and nothing else".

Roosevelt further claimed that voting based on ethnic identity, such as a German-American voting as a German-American, amounted to treason against American institutions.

Patrick says

Dunno about Burt himself, but statistically, it's hard to deny Jews are money-oriented. Like Tevye sings:

What was his highest goal with the money? Be able to read Torah and get his daughter married off.

Lol, so was Tevye's. Three daughters.

And my goal in retiring is to be able to read for a lot of the day. Nothing wrong with having the money to do that.

But cultures do vary in how much they value money, and stereotypes all have some kernel of truth.

The Chinese are very similar to Jews in being intensely commercial, at least when in the minority. They also got massacred frequently in SE Asia because they came to dominate commerce there. The mechanics are similar to Jewish history in Europe.

It's all about proximity to the 'Emperor Node' (money printing presses) and the Temple coinage treasuries. Why do treasuries always look like temples? Those who are the closest get the mostest.

If they are monopolized by any particular group or 'religion', than the benefits shower to those groups preferentially. Their curse is the obsession with the Demiurge and sacrificing everything in desperation for handfulls of dirt and paper. Revilement and contempt follow.

https://newrightpoast.substack.com/p/242-aryan-wigger-pig-blocks-your

> Why is Ben Shapiro? Cloneristic has a theory.

The biggest danger to Jews is not getting holocausted, but that one day they just kind of shrug and decide they dgaf about being Jewish anymore then dissolve into whatever society they’re in unremarkably. So prominent Jews making sure they are hated by large swathes of their host society are assuring their continued existence, which in a secular age, is largely definitionally rooted in this paranoia and animus.

They aren't the only religion to engage in these false flags amongst their own people and even to cooperate with and even help finance the 'persecutions' up to and including slaughters and account holder harvests. It's a standard model of programmed 'martyrdom' by religious leaders to engage and fortify the survivors with heightened fanaticism and loyalty, even when the leaders are the engines of the false flags.

Countries use false flags and propaganda to engage unwilling populations in depopulation wars. Religions use false flags to consolidate and fanatacize their members. Often time they cooperate. Look at Zelensky waltzing with the Banderites. The revisionist Zionists danced with Hitler (a Rothschild) Nazis and as we see there isn't much of difference between them.

If anything, they riff off of each other.

There is a reason, because it’s been that way for thousands of years. Jews get somewhere, and everyone gets pissed off at them enough to want them dead.

It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.

So what spawned the tradition that Jewishness passes down the through the mother?

Not sure, but one theory is that they figured out that genes for intelligence are passed down on the X chromosome, which comes from the mother.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

There is a reason, because it’s been that way for thousands of years. Jews get somewhere, and everyone gets pissed off at them enough to want them dead.

It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.

I think it's the deliberate separation mentioned in the original post above.

But also, it's the money lending. When enough people owe money to the Jews, then they all have an interest in getting rid of the Jews, and so getting rid of their debts.

SharkyP says

So what spawned the tradition that Jewishness passes down the through the mother?

Grok says:

Talmudic Rationale (Kiddushin 68b):
"You are certain of the mother, but not of the father."

This mirrors the Roman legal principle (mater semper certa est—"the mother is always certain"), which the rabbis adapted to protect Jewish lineage.

Guess the cruel alien gods (who were alleged to be genetic engineers) informed them of the lineage confirming aspects of maternal mitochondrial DNA.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.

They're too small to resist anywhere, and thus easily scapegoated. Add to it some money lending and you've just cancelled your loans.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

They're too small to resist anywhere

You have got to be joking. They are by far the most privileged group in the United States.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.

They're too small to resist anywhere, and thus easily scapegoated. Add to it some money lending and you've just cancelled your loans.

They get kicked out of every country and still blame everyone. No one else gets kicked out of every country, yet they manage somehow to piss everyone off every time.

Similar things do happen to other groups with similar cultures.

For example, the Indians (including Pakis) dominated commerce in Uganda, but had contempt for the local people and would never dream of letting their children marry native Ugandans. So they were expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin in 1972. I've met some of these Indians who were expelled from Uganda. They were allowed back in in 1985. Mamdani was born in Uganda in 1991.

Other groups that dominated commerce, kept deliberately separate from the majority, and got into trouble include the Chinese in SE Asia, Lebanese in West Africa, and the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire.

Jews are the archetype of the pattern, but it's not that unusual.

One could argue that the Boers in South Africa are another instance. Much richer than the majority, definitely don't want to intermarry with them, and are getting massacred now.