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Patrick says

Anyway, whatever team has the biggest, most competent and unified population and iron ore and oil is probably going to win any war. German competence and unity were huge factors in their amazing string of early victories.

So the USA. WW2 US industrial production is absolutely mind blowing.

Towards the end, USN Admirals were planning for 12-carrier CVBGs so festooned with tonnage they had with fast jeep carriers deployed as a screen miles from the main body. We scrapped scores of carriers already laid down, yep. Scores of Essex class carriers had their hulls repurposed or scrapped entirely in the yards.

Where the truth is, Germany could not replace just their Barbarossa losses. They needed years of peace (and access to Soviet materials) to replace what they lost in Sum 41-Sum42, and never got it. Not just from combat, but wear and tear and op tempo.

People sometimes get confused because Hitler ordered an increase to Panzer divisions, but that was done by reducing Panzer Strength by 20% and replacing with assault guns and motorized vehicles, not with Panzer production.

Not just tanks, but planes, trucks, rolling stock, towed arty, etc.

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions and still training 100s more in 1944, and every last jeep, radio, C-47, wool jacket, down to the last can opener and canteen and cigarette. The world's merchant marine was choked with Liberty Ships for the next 50 years. We still coulda kicked the Socialist Alliance of NSDAP-USSR ass.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Patrick says

Anyway, whatever team has the biggest, most competent and unified population and iron ore and oil is probably going to win any war. German competence and unity were huge factors in their amazing string of early victories.

So the USA. WW2 US industrial production is absolutely mind blowing.

Towards the end, USN Admirals were planning for 12-carrier CVBGs so festooned with tonnage they had with fast jeep carriers deployed as a screen miles from the main body. We scrapped scores of carriers already laid down, yep. Scores of Essex class carriers had their hulls repurposed or scrapped entirely in the yards.

Where the truth is, Germany could not replace just their Barbarossa losses. They needed years of peace (and access to Soviet materials) to replace what they lost in Sum 41-Sum42, and never got it. Not just from combat, but wear and tear and op tempo.

People sometimes get confused because Hitler ordered an increase to Panzer divisions, but that was done by reducing Panzer Strength by 20% and replacing with assault guns and motorized vehicles, not with Panzer production.

Not just tanks, but planes, trucks, rolling stock, towed arty, etc.

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions and still training 100s more in 1944, and every last jeep, radio, C-47, wool jacket, down to the last can opener and canteen and cigarette. The world's merchant marine was choked with Liberty Ships for the next 50 years. We still coulda kicked the Socialist Alliance of NSDAP-USSR ass.

Crushing Kommie Kremlin Kunts right after finishing Nazis is what Patton argued for in 1945.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions and still training 100s more in 1944, and every last jeep, radio, C-47, wool jacket, down to the last can opener and canteen and cigarette. The world's merchant marine was choked with Liberty Ships for the next 50 years. We still coulda kicked the Socialist Alliance of NSDAP-USSR ass.

Oh, and while all this was happening, the US was providing at 1900 Steam Engines, etc. etc. for the Russians, as well as building Shermans for the Brits and Canadians, etc. etc. along with huge swaths of material for Russia, Britain, Australia-NZ, Canada AND the British Empire. It's really fing shocking.

RWSGFY says

Crushing Kommie Kremlin Kunts right after finishing Nazis is what Patton argued for in 1945.

It was a good idea, but Americans wanted peace at that point. A demobilization so rapid that billions of dollars of hardware (in today's money) was just left on South Pacific islands because it was too expensive in time and money to take it home.

That was an entire other unsung miracle that the economy didn't collapse in 45-47 from the shock.

"Hit them now, while we got the muscle"

Oh, and Herman Goering sneered, laughed and mocked the US plan to could produce 50,000 aircraft if it went to war, made in 1940

By 1944, we produced 96,000 a year, including thousands of quad-engine bombers and multiengine transports, not just single engine fighters.

Boeing, Douglas, and North American Aviation factories outproduced the entire Axis powers combined,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATxplEQXPk

Just a reminder the Panican-Doomer Influenza Clique is wrong for the 2nd time in a year (really ~6 months) about an impending Big Bad War.

LOL. Tuqar vetted his dream about Maduro begging him to help Venezuela stop war with Candace and MTG, so you know it's credible. (Parody)

We need some "I survived the Great Venezuelan War of 2025" T-shirts to hand out to the Panicans!

/gloat

Just asking questions about the incredible takes influenzas keep making!

Now that there are no TROOPS ONDA GROUND! in Venezuela by TRUMP THE LIAR!

The paid stooges are now discussing "Fake" Economic numbers:



No shame at all. Grift and Panic, Panic and Grift.

RWSGFY says

Crushing Kommie Kremlin Kunts right after finishing Nazis is what Patton argued for in 1945.

I'm at the part in the Rise and Fall where German generals realize that they are losing, and consider killing Hitler and proposing a non-Nazi German alliance with the US against Russia, because they know the US doesn't like the Bolsheviks either.

But all the responses they got to their feelers were very negative, insisting on unconditional surrender of Germany.

FreeAmericanDOP says

Within 4 years the USA was fielding 100s of divisions

The US only fielded 91 divisions in WW2. For comparison, the Germans threw 190 divisions in Operation Barbarossa, but the USSR after retreating to the Moscow-Stalingrad line, were able to field 360 divisions in the counterattack. That also included 105,000 T-34 tanks produced in open air factories.

Patrick says

US + UK + Russia > Germany

USSR alone was greater than Germany. Had Britain and the US not attacked Germany from the West, the USSR would have overrun Europe.

Yes, USSR, but effectively the Novo-Russki empire of the time, so I call it Russia.

Good point, the Russians would have taken as much as possible. Every empire does.

There were still communists in Germany even during the Nazi time, but underground. They gladly helped set up East Germany after the war.

Also interesting: the Nazi responsible for preventing the Soviets from spying on German weapons manufacturing was himself sending all that info to Russia, but just for money and not out of ideology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Lehmann

He was found out and executed.

So, US Navy just captured a tanker flying the flag of Paper Tiger escorted by a papertigerian submarine and at least one paperigerian warship.

THIS IS WW3!!!!

RWSGFY says

THIS IS WW3!!!!

Just wait until the BRICS and the EU sell off the 15% of US Debt they hold!!!

And replace the Dollar as the Global Reserve currency with the BRICS-Euro that the EU, Russia, China, India, and Brazil will agree to share!!

Visit BuyIraqiDinars.com to see how you can diversify out the dollar!

HeadSet says

USSR alone was greater than Germany. Had Britain and the US not attacked Germany from the West, the USSR would have overrun Europe.

Correct. And then the whole of Europe would have been Soviet.

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

HeadSet says

USSR alone was greater than Germany. Had Britain and the US not attacked Germany from the West, the USSR would have overrun Europe.

Correct. And then the whole of Europe would have been Soviet.

Doubt it, they didn’t have manpower nor desire to do so. No guarantees they’d win without our help. That war as truly team effort.

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

RWSGFY says

THIS IS WW3!!!!

Just wait until the BRICS and the EU sell off the 15% of US Debt they hold!!!

And replace the Dollar as the Global Reserve currency with the BRICS-Euro that the EU, Russia, China, India, and Brazil will agree to share!!

Visit BuyIraqiDinars.com to see how you can diversify out the dollar!

They COULD do that, but if they did, WHO would buy it? Would it not probably be purchased at a discount as well? How much of a discount/loss are those countries willing to take/give up?

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

Doubt it, they didn’t have manpower nor desire to do so.

The USSR had 360 divisions and a philosophy of imposing communism world wide.

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

Doubt it, they didn’t have manpower nor desire to do so. No guarantees they’d win without our help. That war as truly team effort.

The difference is the war would have ended in late 46 instead of mid 45 with the Soviets in Paris. And a huge chunk of the Partisans in Europe were Communists from Greece to France.

75-80% of Wehrmacht casualties were in the East. It would have only delayed the inevitable, they still needed men in Yugoslavia, Greece, etc. to keep control.

Stalin took a multimonth diversion to the Balkans to ensure Communist governments there.

The big help we gave the Soviets was the Trucks and Jeeps, logistics.

ForcedTQ says

They COULD do that, but if they did, WHO would buy it? Would it not probably be purchased at a discount as well? How much of a discount/loss are those countries willing to take/give up?

Yep, my remark was sarcastic. If they did so it might end up helping rather than hurting.

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

RWSGFY says

THIS IS WW3!!!!

Just wait until the BRICS and the EU sell off the 15% of US Debt they hold!!!

And replace the Dollar as the Global Reserve currency with the BRICS-Euro that the EU, Russia, China, India, and Brazil will agree to share!!

Visit BuyIraqiDinars.com to see how you can diversify out the dollar!

Sell it for what?

USD

Hahahahaha.