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GNL says

Pennsylvania’s EV fee — $250 annually, once it’s phased in — will be among the most expensive in the country."

Thanks. It's still too low in comparison to ICE vehicles. Hybrids are kind of the same, so it's not just EV bashing. Most roads are funded with MFT funds. If the roads go to shit all vehicle owners will complain. Government won't care what you drive, they'll need funding to repair them and if you're not paying they will charge you. Complainers are a thorn in their side.

Even in mostly rural IL it's on the docket in most counties. Same with Wisconsin. It will come first in states with freeze thaw cycles that need roads replaced sooner. CA will probably get hit the worst at some point given the EV percentage for the overall population. It's a when, not if scenario. Can't give an over/under date wise, but it's coming everywhere. And so are increased electric bills for everyone to power it.

I would imagine $250 is just the start.

WookieMan says

Hybrids are kind of the same, so it's not just EV bashing

Hybrids burn gasoline unless they are plug-in and only charged

GNL says

I would imagine $250 is just the start.

^^^ my reaction, too..

"Don't worry. Just putting in the tip. See if you can get used to it, honey." <- yes, I actually used that line with a girlfriend in high school. Yes, it worked.

We need to switch to tolling, eventually.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

We need to switch to tolling, eventually.

That is what will happen, EZ Pass will be everywhere.

HeadSet says

That is what will happen, EZ Pass will be everywhere.

Yup. Hmmm....I think I'll buy some shares.

HeadSet says

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

We need to switch to tolling, eventually.

That is what will happen, EZ Pass will be everywhere.

Then the gas tax needs to be removed. Disincentivizing EV's that are 20% at least higher than similar cars price wise. It's called the greenies shooting themselves in the foot. You can't have roads without revenue regardless of how much you dislike government. How do those diesel trucks and transports get the precious EV's to where it needs to go? MFT. Oil taxes.

It will be as expensive if not more expensive to own an EV in the near future. Why do you think Elon is sucking Trump's cock? He knows he's going to win. He's trying to move the goalpost until he can get costs down or deal with the incoming taxes on EV's. This isn't politics, it's business. Elon is smart to court Trump.

WookieMan says

Then the gas tax needs to be removed.

Agree, and I think that is what will happen. As more efficient ICE along with electric cars fill the roads, the gas tax will be phased out and replaced with tolls.

WookieMan says

He's trying to move the goalpost until he can get costs down or deal with the incoming taxes on EV's.

Elon may be courting Trump more for Trump's policy of tariffs on electric imports. Without tariffs, BYD can flood the US market with low $20k electric cars.

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

He's trying to move the goalpost until he can get costs down or deal with the incoming taxes on EV's.

Elon may be courting Trump more for Trump's policy of tariffs on electric imports. Without tariffs, BYD can flood the US market with low $20k electric cars.

That is what we really need.

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

He's trying to move the goalpost until he can get costs down or deal with the incoming taxes on EV's.

Elon may be courting Trump more for Trump's policy of tariffs on electric imports. Without tariffs, BYD can flood the US market with low $20k electric cars.

There is currently a 100% tariff on Chinesium EVs.

GNL says

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

He's trying to move the goalpost until he can get costs down or deal with the incoming taxes on EV's.

Elon may be courting Trump more for Trump's policy of tariffs on electric imports. Without tariffs, BYD can flood the US market with low $20k electric cars.

That is what we really need.

We have it already.

Eric Holder says

We have it already.

Tariffs are fine by me. The problem is EV's in most states and federally funded highways don't get funds from EV users. Federally you have to pay taxes to even pitch in a tiny amount for our interstate system. State wise it's MFT funds. EV users are paying ZERO to MFT. Maybe a higher registration fee that is comical to what ICE cars pay every time they fill up.

For every percentage EV's go up, that's money away from roads. Once the roads turn to even more shit, people will start bitching massively. It's coming. The hypocritical thing is it will likely be the EV owners bitching the most. 90% of Americans have no clue how their roads are funded.

Tariffs don't go to roads either. It just goes to a general fund in the government. Sure some might go to roads, but generally not. Probably goes to saving swans in Rhode Island or some bull shit like that.