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Smoking Experiment


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2024 Sep 29, 2:39pm   390 views  26 comments

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I've had a spot on the back of my right hand since the spring. My sister who's a nurse thinks it is an "actinic keratosis", which is common for fair-skinned people who live in sunny areas. There's about a 20% chance that it will turn into squamous cell cancer, but even that cancer is not terribly dangerous because it doesn't metastasize much.

I took a vacation to Spain this summer and visited an old college friend who now lives in Madrid. He told me that he smokes one cigarette a day, a Dunhill Blue, which you can't actually buy in Spain for some reason. He goes to France and stocks up. I decided to try out some cigarettes while on vacation in Spain, smoking about 20 total of three different brands over my two weeks there. I gave a lot of them away to homeless people on the streets.

After I got home, I noticed that the spot on my hand had shrunk quite a bit. Huh. Was it the smoking? I checked in a local smoke shop here, and found the Dunhill Blue for $19.25. Not cheap, but I wanted to try them out, and to see if the spot on my hand would shrink again. So I smoked one a day for 19 days, last one this morning. I have to say they are very high quality. There were 20 in the pack, but one morning a homeless woman saw me smoking outside my usual cafe here and asked for one, so I obliged. She put it in her pocket, lol. I'm sure she'll smoke it later because I see her around and she's often smoking. She seems schizophrenic, and I've heard that most schizophrenics smoke because it reduces their symptoms.

So at the end of the 19th cigarette, well, no change in that spot on my hand, at least none that I can clearly notice. Darn.

But I read a lot about cigarettes in the meantime, and learned some interesting things. One is that the oldest human ever, the Frenchwoman Jeanne Calment, smoked one Dunhill cigarette a day for about 100 years. Clearly it did not kill her, since she lived to be 122. She also drank a glass of port every day and ate about two pounds of chocolate per week.

And I remember from early in the plandemic that the Chinese reported that smokers were not getting sick at nearly the same rate as non-smokers:

https://antithrlies.com/2020/04/04/can-smoking-protect-you-against-covid-19/


What really floors me is the fact that people do not want this to be true. We are desperately trying to slow the spread and reduce the severity of a disease we cannot cure or vaccinate against. We are suffering enormous costs in order to do that. How great would it be if everyone could reduce their risk of getting a serious case of the disease by 80% by smoking a few packs?


I can imagine that smoke kills viruses in the air. Or maybe there's some other mechanism to explain it.

I also remember from a biology class in college that DNA repair mechanisms get amped up in smokers, presumably because the smoke is damaging their DNA. Maybe that's why the spot on my hand shrank after I smoked in Spain.

Then again, I didn't notice it was smaller until after I got home. Maybe it will shrink again now that I've stopped smoking again. I'll say so if it does.

Jeanne Calment:


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1   ElYorsh   2024 Sep 29, 2:57pm  

Could it have been that the food from Spain amped up your immune system and that caused the spot to shrink?

I also visited Spain this and last summer and noticed that my IBS never flared up over there. Even after consuming a lot of what I consider my worst IBS triggers which are excessive eating with alcoholic drinks.

Madrid was too expensive for me, so we go to Galicia and Asturias region after a couple of days in Madrid. The food is amazing and the prices are ridiculously cheap in the small towns.
2   Patrick   2024 Sep 29, 3:18pm  

@ElYorsh Hey, we were in Galicia and Asturias too. Basically just flew into Madrid because that's where the flights are, then went north and across the top of Spain before going back to Madrid to leave.

Food was definitely great and cheap, though we got ripped off a bit in Santiago de Compostela. And the waitresses are not as nice as here, probably because tipping is not really a thing in Spain.
3   ElYorsh   2024 Sep 29, 3:42pm  

Yes waitresses are kind of rude, they slam everything on the table. Being a light skinned Mexican helped us because we spoke the language. We also noticed the people in that region kind of have guilt about the history of the colonization of Latin America.

Did you walk the Way of St James? We did 130 something kms in 5 days and noticed that Santiago ironically had some tourist traps. I imagined that if Jesus lived today he would go and whip some of them folks over there like he did at the Temple of Solomon
4   Someone_else   2024 Sep 29, 5:48pm  

Nicotine apparently surpasses Ivermectin. Cut to 1:17-1:22 for the beefalo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TDHbuE6dE
5   WookieMan   2024 Sep 29, 6:21pm  

Patrick says

I can imagine that smoke kills viruses in the air. Or maybe there's some other mechanism to explain it.

I think the same goes for alcohol. With unfiltered water, I think beer and hard spirits got us through. Killed bacteria in water over the last 2,000 plus years that people would shit and piss in.

With filtered water now and sewers, it's less likely recommended. But I'm being serious I don't think we have 7-8B people on this planet without it. So many people would have died from drinking poop/piss water.
6   Patrick   2024 Sep 29, 7:32pm  

ElYorsh says

Did you walk the Way of St James?


We basically drove it in a rental car. Lots of interesting things along the way.

WookieMan says

With unfiltered water, I think beer and hard spirits got us through.


One of the secrets of the Roman army was that they would never drink the water on campaigns without adding some wine to it first. This kept them from getting sick.
7   ElYorsh   2024 Sep 29, 10:14pm  

@Patrick the reason why I mention the food is the following.

I have a friend that is in the agricultural industry who says that Spain does not allow an indiscriminate use of GMO's. Asturias does NOT allow ANY GMO's and Galicia is very limited although that region is known for having more corruption and inspectors that could look the other way. The use of pesticides is also limited compared to conventional US agriculture and more akin to USDA Organic standards. Their livestock also feeds off of their grass fields that naturally grow with all the abundance of rain in the region.

Cleaner produce and grass fed livestock are the best we could have for our health.
8   Patrick   2024 Sep 29, 10:21pm  

I think Europe has much safer and more healthful food than we do in the US.

I had acne as a teen, but when I did an exchange program in Germany the summer I was 16, it completely went away. Then I came back to the US and it came back.

In the other direction, we had an exchange student from Germany in our high school. She showed up with clear skin, but rapidly developed severe acne. I felt bad for her.

I've read that dioxin leaks from electrical transformers in the US and contaminates our food. Even a very small amount is extremely toxic and causes acne among other problems. That could be it. Or maybe just food quality overall.
10   WookieMan   2024 Sep 30, 4:03am  

Patrick says

I think Europe has much safer and more healthful food than we do in the US.

I don't think people in the US grow enough of their own food. I made a massive batch of pickled jalapeños yesterday. 3 standard sized ball jars. My eyes are pissed at me. Ran out of gloves. Didn't finger the wife so her vagina is okay. And yes, that has happened before so I got gloves just ran out. I guess it's unpleasant down there with spice.

We just did a soup fest at a neighbors house. 9 different soups. My wife wouldn't allow me to bring my Jamaican Jerk soup, she wanted to do her soup which was good (only one per family allowed). Clearly I like spice. Mine was better, but some people can't handle the heat, so I obliged with the request.

Had locally grown sweet corn, chicken thighs (grocery store), sweet potatoes, green onions, chicken broth and obviously a jerk marinade. Some other stuff as well. But everything was mostly unprocessed. The jerk sauce was from Jamaica though, but I don't know what they do with that down there.

The acne thing is weird. I'm 41 and still get it and eat mostly healthy. For some reason I think processed cheese might be a big part of it. I love cheese. It doesn't mess with my gut like a lot of people, nothing does really, but I'm thinking pizza. Haven't been, but Europeans I know make different pizza than Americans. I try and get unprocessed cheese when up in Wisconsin.

I think Americans over salt their food as well. I cringe when I see people put table salt on food. It's like you do know they already added salt to the recipe 99% of the time? I wait for a heart attack every time I see someone do that. It's soooooo bad. If the food doesn't taste good don't eat it. Ask for a refund or get ready for a big medical bill.
11   RayAmerica   2024 Sep 30, 7:51am  

Patrick says


I think Europe has much safer and more healthful food than we do in the US.

Check this out. Sen. Ron Johnson held hearings involving nutritional experts on the direct correlation between health and nutrition. Much is said about the dangerous chemicals that the FDA allows in our 'food' supply that are banned in Europe. (RFK Jr. claims that there are well over 1,000 banned chemicals in Europe that are allowed here. It starts at about the 33 minute mark. I have not watched the entire 4+ hour video, but what I have seen is very informative).



VIDEO RELEASE: Sen. Johnson’s Full Roundtable Discussion, American Health and Nutrition: A Second Opinion
September 25, 2024

WASHINGTON – On Monday, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) led a roundtable discussion titled, American Health and Nutrition: A Second Opinion. Sen. Johnson and a panel of experts provided a foundational and historical understanding of the changes that have occurred over the last century within agriculture, food processing, and healthcare industries which impact the current state of national health.

https://rumble.com/v5fy7bv-american-health-and-nutrition-a-second-opinion.html
12   RWSGFY   2024 Sep 30, 7:58am  

So we want MOAR gubmint in our food now? We want it "just like in EU"? When did this change to our consevative values happen? 🤡
13   RayAmerica   2024 Sep 30, 8:17am  

Patrick says


I decided to try out some cigarettes while on vacation in Spain, smoking about 20 total of three different brands over my two weeks there.

I feel I need to warn you and others about the innocence of smoking cigarettes.

A long time ago, I was a very God gifted athlete that began smoking a cigarette or two per day. I thought it was cool. There were days that I didn't smoke at all which led me to believe that I could quit whenever I wanted. My once in a while habit eventually morphed into ten per day. Around that time, I began to notice that I didn't have the same lung capacity that I had before I began smoking so I decided to quit. To quote Joe Biden: guess what? I couldn't quit and maybe even worse, I began to smoke a lot more. Over the next 5 years or so, like virtually all smokers, I kept trying to quit, but failed. At my peak, I was smoking 2 1/2 packs per day and it was killing me.

Finally, after multiple failures, a lot of depression that was brought on by the knowledge that I was 'hooked' on something, I finally quit. That was one of the best accomplishments of my life, but it would have been much, much better had I never had that first cigarette.

Smoking cigarettes can create a habit that will sneak up on you and take over when you least expect it. I mentioned that I was an athlete for this reason; after smoking, I never again regained the lung capacity that I had prior to smoking. It absolutely damages the lungs and respiratory system and is linked to all kinds of cancer and heart disease.

One more item; I had a brother-in-law that smoked his entire adult life. One day at a a family gathering, as he was puffing on his cigarette he boasted to me that cigarettes never bothered him one bit, which turned out to be very ironic, because about 2 months later he was diagnosed with emphysema, was put on oxygen and died a short while later.
14   RayAmerica   2024 Sep 30, 8:23am  

RWSGFY says


So we want MOAR gubmint in our food now? We want it "just like in EU"? When did this change to our consevative values happen? 🤡

Uh, it's the 'gubmint' that is SANCTIONING what the food producers want; the addition of dangerous, addictive chemicals into our food that continues to make us sick. And guess what? Who do you think owns most of the corporations that make our highly processed 'foods?' None other than Big Pharma, which benefits from us being sick so that the 'Doctors' can prescribe to us the 'cure' in the form of a pill, which also has negative side effects.
15   RWSGFY   2024 Sep 30, 8:56am  

RayAmerica says


RWSGFY says


So we want MOAR gubmint in our food now? We want it "just like in EU"? When did this change to our consevative values happen? 🤡

Uh, it's the 'gubmint' that is SANCTIONING what the food producers want; the addition of dangerous, addictive chemicals into our food that continues to make us sick. And guess what? Who do you think owns most of the corporations that make our highly processed 'foods?' None other than Big Pharma, which benefits from us being sick so that the 'Doctors' can prescribe to us the 'cure' in the form of a pill, which also has negative side effects.



last time I checked "sanctioning" meant is "letting them to do what they want", not "telling them to do it". Are you saying that as a strong conservative you need government to tell you what to do or not do?

If it makes you sick - don't eat that shit. Simple, straightforward, consevative.

But I'm getting a vibe that you want the gubmint to force you to do things "for your own good". Things like "eat right" and "get vaccinated" and such... Amirite?
16   RayAmerica   2024 Sep 30, 9:32am  

Let me put it in a way you might be able to understand.

Let's say that the food industry knowingly puts cancer causing chemicals into our food as a preservative. The FDA, whom are 'experts' that are supposed to protect the consumers, knowingly allows these dangerous chemicals in our food supply. Do you think the FDA should do a better job in regulating what is allowed to be used by the big processed food manufactures, or, should we just rely on the food manufactures to govern themselves?
17   Patrick   2024 Sep 30, 10:33am  

WookieMan says

I don't think people in the US grow enough of their own food.


I agree. We have a planter garden that my wife built and maintains, and I planted some veggies in the front lawn last year. Need to do that again this year, since we got quite a bit from it.

Wife says I should wait till it's a little cooler and rainier, then plant one row of lettuce each week so that they will mature as we eat them.

If everyone in the US replaced his or her front lawn with a garden or orchard, we'd all have a bit more resilience to supply chain interruptions, and better health. Then again, it's work, though not all that much work.

Around here, I get free apples and oranges from neighbors' trees. Sometimes avocados too. They are happy for me to take them so that they don't fall and rot. And I share them with the owner, which makes me a sharecropper I guess.

I used to love the pomegranates on a neighbor's tree, but then a new neighbor moved in and doesn't want me to take them. Damn.

Lots of olives around here as well, which fall on the streets and leave oil stains. I tried eating one, but nope, you can't do that. Bitterness off the charts until cured in brine.
18   Patrick   2024 Sep 30, 10:36am  

RayAmerica says

Smoking cigarettes can create a habit that will sneak up on you and take over when you least expect it.


Yes, alcohol too. But I'm pretty sure a small amount of alcohol reduces heart disease more than it increases cancer rates.

I'm not sure that tobacco actually has enough benefits ever to offset the risk. But it was an interesting experiment.
19   Patrick   2024 Sep 30, 10:38am  

RayAmerica says

The FDA, whom are 'experts' that are supposed to protect the consumers, knowingly allows these dangerous chemicals in our food supply.


They do. Pure corruption at the cost of public health. Similar to the dangerous and ineffective mRNA injections that way.

There is a legitimate role for government in preventing citizens from poisoning each other for profit. China has a huge problem with tainted food because their laws are not enforced and corruption is so widespread there.
20   Patrick   2024 Sep 30, 10:41am  

RWSGFY says

If it makes you sick - don't eat that shit. Simple, straightforward, consevative.


There are a lot of cases where it's not a choice though. For example, my wife is a 3rd grade teacher, and the kids get government lunches which are clearly toxic, laden with Canola oil, everything wrapped in plastic including fruit, etc.

The kids don't really have a choice, and even if they did, they don't have the knowledge to know what's what.
21   WookieMan   2024 Sep 30, 10:59am  

RayAmerica says

At my peak, I was smoking 2 1/2 packs per day and it was killing me.

Same boat. I was an all state athlete in high school and D-1 in college. Smoked 2 packs a day doing it. And yes even in high school. Then copious amounts of weed and beer. My sport wasn't a money maker though. So I never took it seriously.

They say lungs regenerate. I call bull shit. I've been off cigs for a while now. I definitely don't have the lung capacity of my past pre-smoking. I think I quit early enough to stop the damage, but it's not normal. My endurance is down from my younger years. I've ran a few 5k's but it was a struggle. Not fat.

Snowboarding is the worst with the elevation. On a big mountain I'm good for about 5-6 big runs of 20 min at 7-11k feet. Take a bar break in-between. Feel like I'm nearing the age that I need to slow down. I boarded in IL and WI hills. The altitude gets me. Probably doesn't help that I'm drinking at altitude but I'm a beast in that regard. Everyone talks about altitude sickness and drinking. I just don't care and have survived.

I'm thinking a early March Montana trip. Drinking and snowboarding. Think I'm done by 45-50 though. While it would be a cool story, I don't really want to die on a mountain.
22   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Sep 30, 4:13pm  

@Patrick go to a skin doc and tell them you want to do a course of 5-Fluorouracil. It's a lotion for your skin and works great on those.

I'd get enough to do your face, neck arms and hands although you'll probably want to focus on one area at a time. I did my face and head when I was still working in an office and I looked like a lepper lol.

It'll fix it all up and you'll look younger afterward with better skin as well.

It only reacts with the pre-cancerous cells that are dividing too quickly, i.e., A. keratosis's and interestingly my forehead had a giant red triangle of blisters which basically was the outline of my 1980s 'parted in the middle' hair cut. So my hair protected the upper right and left side of my forehead from the mutations.
23   komputodo   2024 Sep 30, 9:18pm  

WookieMan says

I was an all state athlete in high school and D-1 in college

Did you ever score 4 touchdowns in a single game like Al Bundy at Polk High?
24   komputodo   2024 Sep 30, 9:21pm  

RayAmerica says

I had a brother-in-law that smoked his entire adult life. One day at a a family gathering, as he was puffing on his cigarette he boasted to me that cigarettes never bothered him one bit, which turned out to be very ironic, because about 2 months later he was diagnosed with emphysema, was put on oxygen and died a short while later.

That's because he forgot to knock on wood when he said it.
25   komputodo   2024 Sep 30, 9:26pm  

WookieMan says

The acne thing is weird. I'm 41 and still get it and eat mostly healthy.

Do the bullies call you pizza face?
26   Ceffer   2024 Sep 30, 10:10pm  

The propensity of the vendors of seriously addictive substances to claim health benefits as a marketing ploy is what led to the FDA (which of course, is corrupted in an entirely different direction now as we well know). There are so many vapers and stoners out there, and vaping delivers a much more potent dose i.e. leads to heavier oil burning addiction. Vapers will all buy cigarettes at some point without their vape pens around.

Try to get 'em started with the health claim stuff? I would be hard pressed that anybody who isn't already on the nicotine bandwagon would be anything but repulsed that somebody start using nicotine for that reason. I would imagine there must be studies with nicotine patches and whatnot (if they are even valid these days), but nicotine recommendations all seem to swirl around the smoking and vaping kind (dealer seduction).

I would be cautious of letting my addiction fall for the false flag health claims without extraordinary evidence. Plus, the downsides so seriously outweigh any marginal benefits that might be claimed. The claims of health benefits are soothing baby nipples of denial for the people who are going to buy product, anyway, or who can't or don't want to give up their addiction.

I think that nicotine (extremely potent neurotoxin) is going to get the user a lot sooner that it will get his alleged microbes.

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