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Walz is a much less talented liar than the old real Biden, which is not a high bar.

Ceffer says

The moderators are lying, too, with the presumptions of their questions in which the conclusion (propaganda) is contained in the question.

Yep, like the Hurricane-Globaloney Warming question.

As if hurricanes never happened until "Climate Change."

Walz an obvious vaporware politician. If I understand government and law better than him, what does that say?
All the cartoon Dems are vaporware, entirely dissociated from the realities on the ground. They are fake government kabuki.

LOL! Satanist homo pedo Walz plays the Jesus and bible card.

Walz looks kind of bug-eyed and crazy.

It's not that Walz and KamalaToe lie like thieves, it's that the audience KNOWS that they lie. Maybe the ascending yuga is awakening some gray cells after all. More flouride, tamp down those gray cells!

Pretty funny. Walz beams and goes off balance when Vance feeds him a compliment. Somebody studied Walz' pathology.

Vance has been mopping the floor with Walz. One opportunity he missed was on the stupid abortion crap, he should have said, how many women died or were raped at the hands of illegal immigrants? 100 if not thousand times more than few womyn who set out on a trek to another state and then had a health issue occur. This is such bs, womyn travel around the world and certainly between states when they feel like it, pregnant and not. Suddenly they can't do it and die on the way when they aren't going on vacation, but having an abortion. If they can use 5 cases a year or less to argue for killing baby's up to birth why are they flooding the countries with rapefugees killing and raping by the hundreds each year?

Why the hell did anyone waste their time on this?

VP debates don't effect the election outcome worth shit.

"I screwed up, Xi. Please don't kill me."

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Why the hell did anyone waste their time on this?

VP debates don't effect the election outcome worth shit.

They have shown to move the needle by less than a percent nationally, by a bit more on the state level. If you trust the polling historically

mell says

They have shown to move the needle by less than a percent nationally, by a bit more on the state level. If you trust the polling historically

No. Studies have shown that presidential debates in general do not matter in effecting election outcomes. The Trump-Biden one is a historic exception to that rule, of course.

Veep debates, even less. How many Americans do you think are not even aware WHO is the current Veep right now? Yes, even though she's running for POTUS?

In general, debates don’t matter that much for presidential votes. Debates are important in inverse proportion to the importance of the office. So, for instance, in presidential debates, most voters know already who they’re leaning to vote for because of political polarization. But if you get down to, say, congressional seats, they may not know as much about members of Congress, and so they learn more about the individual candidates.

Presidential primaries can have large fields of candidates. Voters may not know a lot about each one, and so there is an opportunity for a candidate to say something, or to act in a way that sticks in voters’ minds and makes them think more positively about them.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2024/0625/presidential-debates-history-biden-trump-elections

CBS Shut Off Vance's Mic After He Mentioned "CBP One" App, Allowing Illegals To Apply Online For "Asylum" To Fast Track Them Into The Country

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1841290278205866205

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

mell says

They have shown to move the needle by less than a percent nationally, by a bit more on the state level. If you trust the polling historically

No. Studies have shown that debates in general do not matter in effecting election outcomes. The Trump-Biden one is a historic exception to that rule, of course.

They have been shown to move the needle by less than one percent nationally, potentially more in swing states due to smaller numbers of voters, so in a close election they can matter. US elections have become quite closer, with the exception of Bush v Gore (recount).

Patrick says

CBS Shut Off Vance's Mic After He Mentioned "CBP One" App, Allowing Illegals To Apply Online For "Asylum" To Fast Track Them Into The Country

Yeah, but that only adds fuel to the fire because ppl heard what he said.

mell says

They have been shown to move the needle by less than one percent nationally, potentially more in swing states due to smaller numbers of voters, so in a close election they can matter. US elections have become quite closer, with the exception of Bush v Gore (recount).

Bullshit. Close elections happen no matter what. Have NOTHING to do with the debates. Also, the majority of ppl who even watch the debates only do so for the first 20 - 30 mins only.

"Debates matter!" is just 100% Grade A copium bullshit that political junkies say to themselves. True.

Sorry dude. I used to fall into that trap myself.

No matter who you are favoring in this election, you have to admit that Tim Walz made the most truthful debate statement ever when he said "I'm a knucklehead."

Well, to be fair, a debate did put Potato to the pasture, didn't it?

This one was too close and uneventful to make a dent though.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

mell says

They have been shown to move the needle by less than one percent nationally, potentially more in swing states due to smaller numbers of voters, so in a close election they can matter. US elections have become quite closer, with the exception of Bush v Gore (recount).

Bullshit. Close elections happen no matter what. Have NOTHING to do with the debates. Also, the majority of ppl who even watch the debates only do so for the first 20 - 30 mins only.

"Debates matter!" is just 100% Grade A copium bullshit that political junkies say to themselves. True.

Sorry dude. I used to fall into that trap myself.

It's not a trap. Just telling you what the polls historically show, if you choose not to believe them or blame the movements on other factors that's fine. Since the debate started until now the biggest betting market, Polymarket saw Trump close a 1.7 % gap down to a 1% gap until now. These are people betting their money that it can matter. Personally I think on a national level they're insignificant, in a swing state with a couple percent undecided voters the may very well be significant.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

mell says

They have been shown to move the needle by less than one percent nationally, potentially more in swing states due to smaller numbers of voters, so in a close election they can matter. US elections have become quite closer, with the exception of Bush v Gore (recount).

Bullshit. Close elections happen no matter what. Have NOTHING to do with the debates. Also, the majority of ppl who even watch the debates only do so for the first 20 - 30 mins only.

"Debates matter!" is just 100% Grade A copium bullshit that political junkies say to themselves. True.

Sorry dude. I used to fall into that trap myself.

Dan Quayle begs to differ.

Nixon too.

Since the Dems are residing in a palace of lies provided for them by their handlers and pounded out by a relentlessly lying MSM, I am interested in the audience response: can they tell that it is a palace of lies, or are they beguiled by it. It seems a good plurality or majority are not beguiled. That means that the palace of lies promoted by the Intels is dissolving on its foundations of sand.

Vance is an interesting figure. He is cool, courteous, even at times flattering of the opposition for effect, but still manages to run rings around his three debating opponents, two of whom are able to frame him with cheap shot strawmen (drawn from the fakery of Jan 6 and Global Warming), false flags asserted as real, begging the question, false analogies, non sequiturs in the questions etc. etc. They plumbed a pretty good range of logical fallacies and assertion fallacies while being even more waspish than Trump's hostile moderators.

What is strange about these debates is how compressed the topics are in information breadth and width. Both parties can only address recent sound bite issues or publicity rushes on a rather superficial level. The fact that propaganda was legalized by Obama then pursued with bloody murder through the MSM doesn't help.

socal2 says

Dan Quayle begs to differ.

Nixon too.

Who cares?

Just because they had bad debates does not magically mean it effected the election outcomes. Prove A actually correlates to B.

No such proof exists. Nixon's fate was already cooked before that debate ever hapoened.

mell says

Just telling you what the polls historically show

No, you aren't. You THINK you are but aren't. Opium.

Especially when you mention polling numbers within the margin of error. Talking about masturbating on PatNet.

Also. Betting markets are not polls and Americans are forbidden from betting on Polymarket. Did you not know this?

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Veep debates, even less. How many Americans do you think are not even aware WHO is the current Veep right now? Yes, even though she's running for POTUS?

We had a viewing party. I think more people are interested than you'd think.

Another one of those casual, non-manipulated, non-falsified polls:

https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/98022

Walz was probably friends with school shooters because he was ordered by the Freemasons to rape them for MKUltra to radicalize them as assassins.

"It was a casual but tasty meal, if a bit tacky."

"I buggered the little bastards until they were screaming to kill something."

https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/98022

Yes, he's kindest when he's standing next to you at the urinals.

Russel Crowe killed Don Rickles last night.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

mell says

Just telling you what the polls historically show

No, you aren't. You THINK you are but aren't. Opium.

Especially when you mention polling numbers within the margin of error. Talking about masturbating on PatNet.

Also. Betting markets are not polls and Americans are forbidden from betting on Polymarket. Did you not know this?

Plenty of Americans bet on those markets via VPN (I prefer stocks), but that's not the point. It shows that the debate had an effect, similar to the first (presidential) denate having a slighlty negative effect. There's a reason Trump picked Vance and they it last night. FWIW they're almost tied.now on the betting markets, quite a shift from pre-debate numbers

I have always been curios if you were to place a Longshot bet on Trump early on in the polls, months before the election. Then close to the election he becomes a unanimous favorite, and goes on to win. Would you be paid on your wager based on the odds at the time of bet, or the odds at closing of the bets just before the election?

I think the real wager should be will Amererica allow the election to be stollen, again.

Ceffer says

Walz was probably friends with school shooters because he was ordered by the Freemasons to rape them for MKUltra to radicalize them as assassins.

Was watching with friends. Walz did fine, BUT that might be one of the worst gaffes I've ever heard in a debate. Everyone in the garage did the Joe Rogan reaction meme at a UFC fight. Like what the fuck did we just hear?

That alone, he lost the debate. JD was friendly, hell both were. But you you can't say that even on accident. It's lost Alex Jones millions for just suggesting Sandy Hook was fake. He never said he like school shooters though. I'm no Jones fan as I think he's too boisterous and likely drinks too much, but that was a bad gaffe for Walz.

I can promise you if you have a child in school and heard that and understand a ballot, Kamala likely lost 3-4 points because of it last night. Problem is people don't vote for the VP besides political junkies. JD did solid. Very respectful. Hammered home the point Kamala has no policies and anything she's said she will do, hasn't done it for the last 3.5 years. Basically a do nothing politician.

I did not watch this debate, because presumably the person who won were the people who did not watch the debate. Did Vance mention tampons?