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Older Americans don't understand the relatively hard present and future problems young Americans are likely to face.

gabbar says

WookieMan says

Killing a man with kids is awful.

Did the actions of this man, the company he was the CEO of and other companies in this industry harm the lives of Americans? Who committed the greater harm?

Harmed how? By refusing some claims? Is every claim automatically valid in your world? There is no fraud, hypochondria and outright mental illness in it? For all we know the bulk of there rejected claims could be sex change operations. 🤡 Or fatasses demanding Ozempic instead of eating less and moving more.

What is the alternative? Government healthcare? We have that in spades. Somehow not everybody is happy with it either.

gabbar says

Older Americans don't understand the relatively hard present and future problems young Americans are likely to face.

I remember all the hand-wringing and perl-clutching about Millenials supposedly having no future and being relegated to abject poverty. Turns out they are doing just fine and already holding about 10% of total wealth in the US. Charts like that most of all illustrate the results of the demoralization campaign unleashed at the population over the last quarter of the century.

One thing missing from these staged 'assassinations' is any description of the chain of hospitalization or auxiliaries in the chain being interviewed, or even coroner follow up. On TV programs, you always have these lengthy hospital bed scenes where the person lingers until death surrounded by people. Most gunshot victims do survive for variable times afterwards.

Deep State of course will enlist stunt pathologists if that is even required.

With the stagies, it's almost from immediate, absolute death on the scene, to some obscure transport to crematorium, like all the after effects of the shooting vaporize because they aren't necessary to the narrative. The excessive bull horning around the patsy preoccupies the waves.

RWSGFY says

What is the alternative? Government healthcare?

The alternative is to present every non-emergency bill in advance of treatment instead of hiding the prices until they show up in the mail. Any charge not approved and signed by the patient in advance of treatment would not need to be paid.

If people could shop around, US medical costs would be massively reduced.

Emergency costs should be fixed at reasonable prices by law, because there can be no shopping in emergencies.

The point of health insurance is only to share the costs of devastating illness, not to be needed on every visit like it is now. Insurance could then go back to that function.

gabbar says

WookieMan says

Killing a man with kids is awful.

Did the actions of this man, the company he was the CEO of and other companies in this industry harm the lives of Americans? Who committed the greater harm?

So you have no issue killing people? Eye for an eye? I don't kill people unless they mess with my kids or wife in violent manner. Killing some CEO is not justified. Don't pay the claim. Don't pay the bill. Who cares? Even with mafia it takes something more than money to kill someone. He could have just beat the shit out of him to get his jolly's. You don't kill another human unless your family or life is at risk. There are alternatives.

Are we getting this fucked as a society. Just fucking whack him with a bat 10 times. Even if you get away with it, taking another mans life is something that will trouble you the rest of your life even if you think it's justified. PTSD

RWSGFY says

"Is every claim automatically valid in your world?"

If the claim is approved by Original Medicare then it is a valid claim and
United Healthcare has no business rejecting it. Rejecting a valid claim is
an assault with a deadly weapon.

RWSGFY says

"What is the alternative? Government healthcare?"

Yes, by orders of magnitude because the existing system is frankly murderous.

zzyzzx says

I'm pretty sure it's much higher than 41%.

I also suspect it's much higher than 41%. People don't want to admit it to pollsters.

The ultimate problem is that we are controlled by an oligarchy of billionaires who hide behind voicemail trees and control Congress while pretending we have democracy.

https://www.sott.net/article/288827-No-kidding-Princeton-study-says-US-is-an-oligarchy

"When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."

The_Deplorable says

RWSGFY says

"What is the alternative? Government healthcare?"

Yes, by orders of magnitude because the existing system is frankly murderous.

Wait, what's wrong with forcing all medical providers to state the exact costs in advance so that people can shop around and drive down prices?

You wouldn't eat at a restaurant where they don't tell you the prices until after you're on the hook for them, right?

The_Deplorable says

RWSGFY says

"What is the alternative? Government healthcare?"

Yes, by orders of magnitude because the existing system is frankly murderous.

LOL, like NHS or Canadian system doesn't deny shit.

I have a Brit co-worker who moved to the US specifically because the NHS denied fertility treatment for his wife after their meager limit of attempts has ran out. Here it was covered by employer-provided insurance and he now has 2 kids.

One of my college buddies lives in Toronto. His MIL needed a new knee but was offered only cheap one expected to last only 5 years because their "tables shown" that she won't live longer than that. Guess what - she did and had to suffer through another operation.

I have some more stories like this but so is everybody who knows Brits, Canucks or Frogs.

Denied treatment, delayed treatment, inferiour treatment, you name it.

Let the people themselves decide on how much they are willing to pay for treatments!

There would be no denial of treatment, only shopping for a better price, which itself would dramatically reduce prices.

Just make all providers publish their prices and present an exact bill in advance of every non-emergency treatment so that there is no uncertainty of cost and no opportunity to inflate prices to the moon, like we have now.

Increasingly, it's Regency Era England approach to health care; namely the Jane Eyre approach: "Don't get sick."

zzyzzx says

Misc says

41% of people say they are ok with the killing.

I'm pretty sure it's much higher than 41%.

And those 41% are retarded Leftists that have no clue about anything.

Really shocked at how many stupid people on the Right are falling for this horseshit.

What's next, Leftist terrorists killing doctors, nurses and hospital administrators?

The_Deplorable says

RWSGFY says
"What is the alternative? Government healthcare?"

Yes, by orders of magnitude because the existing system is frankly murderous.

Healthcare is finite and no one has a "human right" to the labor and services of others.

There WILL BE RATIONING.

Would you rather have a unionized and woke Government retard "Death Panel" rationing and denying your healthcare based on your skin color and economic status? You craving for DMV and DEI level service for your healthcare?

If you could point to unreasonable profits by United Healthcare you might have an argument. But insurance companies will simply go bankrupt if they have to pay for every single claim made by doctors and there is absolutely ENORMOUS fraud in government run Medicare services.