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HeadSet says

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

Dislike unions, but apprenticeships are the way to go. At the end of the day you have to do the job. I don't need to know about Anthropology if my goal is to be an engineer. While an interesting topic, it does nothing to advance civilization or our nation. I can just read that in my free time.

College should be two years industry related. Instead of 9 hours bull shit and 3 hours of what you majored in, just do 12-15 on the field you want to get into. Get through the pipeline faster so you can do what you want and help grow the economy in some fashion.

HeadSet says

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

Can be done easily if you had good grades and not taking out loans for 100% of your living expenses.

WookieMan says

Dislike unions, but apprenticeships are the way to go.

Makes too much sense, can't do it in US like Germany can.

HeadSet says

AmericanKulak says

$80k college degree in STEM

Please tell me where you can get a 4-year STEM degree for a mere $80k.

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

Which year!
https://financialaid.ucmerced.edu/cost-attendance
Undergraduates who first enroll in Fall 2024
On-Campus, Off-Campus, At-Home
Food & Housing $21,446, $13,000, $8,020
Totals $43,954,$37,044,$32,322
Non-Residential Total $78,154,$71,244,$66,522
Actually it costs $27K/room for 3 room dorms as per a parent who sends his kid there!

The US Navy can recruit white teenagers at 18, give them an IQ test, and then have them acting as a technician on a hidden nuclear reactor UNDER THE SEA, by 20-21.

Yet supposedly there's no way to recruit and train them to do coding work that an Indian does for 60-100k
https://x.com/FromKulak/status/1873284724057358646

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Excellent point.

The Starliner had a massive city's worth of H1Bs + Indian Techs doing all the coding and much of the CAD work that Americans wouldn't do for the price Boeing wanted to pay them while it pocketed hundreds of millions in American taxpayer subsidies and breaks. It's first flight flubbed the orbit and now it's stuck to the ISS.

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college

Yes, doing 2 years in community college would cut down the bill somewhat. I am not a resident of CA so no free tuition and my kid does not qualify for any needs based grants. I did suggest a local CC until she figured out what she wanted, but she wanted the "away from home" experience and the wife agreed so viola, $120k for the four years.

WookieMan says

Dislike unions, but apprenticeships are the way to go.

Imagine in US Programmers had been more smart and less Heinleinian in the 90s, and started a Pro Association where State & Fed Gov demanded only licensed, Pro-Association accredited programmers could be contractors.

Funny thing, the people most bitchy about H1Bs not being harmful are General Dynamics, Lockheed, Navy Yard, Picatinny Arsenal, Civ DoD, etc. Defense-related employees who by law are protected from foreigners competing for their jobs. Yes, yes, very rarely some British sonar expert or jet engine genius gets a rare exemption that takes a year to clear with DoD/FBI background checks. But a drop in the bucket.

"Let Indians come from your Microsoft job, nevermind the way I'm protected by law from Indians working on the engines of Navy Ships I service at Newport News!"

Blue says

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

Which year!
https://financialaid.ucmerced.edu/cost-attendance
Undergraduates who first enroll in Fall 2024
On-Campus, Off-Campus, At-Home
Food & Housing $21,446, $13,000, $8,020
Totals $43,954,$37,044,$32,322
Non-Residential Total $78,154,$71,244,$66,522
Actually it costs $27K/room for 3 room dorms as per a parent who sends his kid there!

If you are not CA resident UC system is a total rip-off.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college

Yes, doing 2 years in community college would cut down the bill somewhat. I am not a resident of CA so no free tuition and my kid does not qualify for any needs based grants. I did suggest a local CC until she figured out what she wanted, but she wanted the "away from home" experience and the wife agreed so viola, $120k for the four years.

Wants and needs...

Blue says

RWSGFY says

Easy in CA: start with 2 years in community college (essentially free if living with parents) and then transfer to one of the less prestigious UC or CSU schools (like UC Merced or Cal Poly Humboldt) where you'd pay less than $40K per year, room and board included.

Which year!
https://financialaid.ucmerced.edu/cost-attendance
Undergraduates who first enroll in Fall 2024
On-Campus, Off-Campus, At-Home
Food & Housing $21,446, $13,000, $8,020
Totals $43,954,$37,044,$32,322
Non-Residential Total $78,154,$71,244,$66,522
Actually it costs $27K/room for 3 room dorms as per a parent who sends his kid there!

So $43K, not $40K. You got me!

CalPoly Humboldt is ~$25K though, so waaay under $80K total if community college backdoor route is taken..

Eric Holder says

If you are not CA resident UC system is a total rip-off.

I guess, its not just UCs but applies to most of the out of state schools as well. The sticker price is so expensive now for lot of folks.

Blue says

its not just UCs but applies to most of the out of state schools as well

Unless you are an illegal.

If your in CA your kids have to pay more, subsidizing 400k+ illegals in the CA college systems has to come from somewhere.

RWSGFY says

waaay under $80K total if community college backdoor route is taken..

I wonder if Ceffer will be able resist making a base joke out of that verbage...

HeadSet says

Unless you are an illegal.

hope its a joke. Does DACA/Dream act! pay illegals!
If I read correctly there are only two options 1.In state or 2.out of state tuition fee etc. some of the east coast colleges are asking ~$50-90k/y for out of state residents. I live in CA and comes under (2) fee structure.

Blue says

hope its a joke.

Unfortunately, not a joke. My state, along with others, gives in-state tuition to illegals.

Blue says

HeadSet says

Unless you are an illegal.

hope its a joke. Does DACA/Dream act! pay illegals!
If I read correctly there are only two options 1.In state or 2.out of state tuition fee etc. some of the east coast colleges are asking ~$50-90k/y for out of state residents. I live in CA and comes under (2) fee structure.

RC2006 says

Blue says

HeadSet says

Unless you are an illegal.

hope its a joke. Does DACA/Dream act! pay illegals!
If I read correctly there are only two options 1.In state or 2.out of state tuition fee etc. some of the east coast colleges are asking ~$50-90k/y for out of state residents. I live in CA and comes under (2) fee structure.

Assholes!

AmericanKulak says

Imagine in US Programmers had been more smart and less Heinleinian in the 90s, and started a Pro Association where State & Fed Gov demanded only licensed, Pro-Association accredited programmers could be contractors.

I started in Tech in the 90s, saw the writing on the wall and talked to engineers/others about unionizing (I'm not an engineer). They laughed because they thought they were untouchable. Guess they didn't think that in the late 90s when layoffs started, or maybe they thought it was a short-term anomaly. .

What about allowing these H-1Bs to jump ship on day one?

If the "labor shortage" is real like these American oligarchs are saying they should be fine with it, right?

ITechBrosWon says

Only solution is $300k base salary and $25k per year government fee for having H1B.

Or make the first $300K of salary expense non-deductible for the company.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

This is why corporate American needs H-1B; nobody puts a gun to corporate America's head and forces them to hire H-1B's; no one force State Department to give visas to H-1B's.

gabbar says

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

This is why corporate American needs H-1B; nobody puts a gun to corporate America's head and forces them to hire H-1B's; no one force State Department to give visas to H-1B's.

It’s the odd accounting of ESG. To qualify for BlackRock/Vanguard’s standards of investment, a company must take on a quota of diversity, competent or not. They’d rather take on H1B diversity than domestic diversity, as Indian engineers can be good. In aggregate, though, these policies pull companies like Intel and Boeing backward.

Outlaw ESG as a requirement for investment bank largesse. This would subtract the real financial incentive behind H1B. And remove Blackrock from such position of influence. They were created from the bailouts of 2009 and Geithner’s PPP idea. They took in Maiden Lane and the failed Fannie Mae (etc) mortgages, were made whole by Fed’s “QE”, and became the behemoth they are. They’re a govt creation, a Frankenstein, and should have nothing to do with forced policy.

So many visa programs to abolish, including TN:

Story from the internet:

All of this H-1B and India talk reminds me of an old friend of mine from college.
Born in Mumbai, his father was a senior member in the chemical engineering department at Exxon. We met in 2nd level chemistry class in college. Kid had good grades and got into some of the best CE schools in the country but went to my school due to its infamy of being a party school.

He always said he wanted to go to American schools to “date white women and be a chemical engineer” (he was only successful at one of these).

He didn’t have great grades, he would chegg his way through homework and limp his way through exams. Study sessions would quickly get derailed away from academics because he had no inclination to pay attention. Never took notes in class, never went to study hours, spent more time drinking than anything else.
A true example of the “Elite Human Capital” we hear about. Keep in mind his parents were paying upwards of 30k a semester as he was an international student.

After his first sophomore semester his dad got him an internship at Exxonmobil. Anyone who has been to college knows how rare or exceptional it is to land an internship at any billion dollar corporation after merely 3 semesters of university.

My friends and I keep in touch, I even went down to Huston a few times to go visit him. He was working on a project in their EMRD program. He would eventually tell me that his project for the EMRD department was a complete throw away to appease climate activism pressure and really wasn’t going anywhere. While there he was making nearly 70k a year as an intern. He lived with his parents, pocketing as much of the money as possible. Much of it was being sent back to the rest of their family back in Mumbai.

Eventually COVID hits and Exxon is tanking, gas prices are lower than could ever be imagined and the company is bleeding cash. Fellow interns and even full time employees he was working with were being laid off left and right, but not him. Protected by his co-ethnics and father, department after department started to be culled and began to be filled with people that looked like him. The middle management overseeing the cuts were obviously prioritizing Indians. He told me all of this as if it was a good thing.

Eventually he has to work completely remote so he moves back to the college town I was living at and moves in with my friends and I. He would tape an oscillating fan to his mouse and go out with us during the day. While we were studying he would be playing video games, smoking weed, and drinking.

When time on his internship ran out he was offered another intern position at Exxon (who knew). But instead of taking it, or going back to school, he applied to Phillips 66 for a chemical engineering internship. There using his fathers connection they of course made him an offer which paid more than what Exxon was paying him.

He then used that offer from Phillips to tell Exxon that if they didn’t match the pay, then he would quit and go work for Phillips. They capitulated and gave him the raise, as they COULDN’T say no considering the moment they did his father would step in and force them to hire him on the terms of his counter offer.

HE DID ALL OF THIS, not out of some machiavellian ambition to ascend the corporate ladder, but at the behest and guidance of his father. Any person that has lived near these people, watched them work, and has seen their behavior has heard a story like this.

These people aren’t “Elite Human Capital” like Elon, or Vivek, or Hanania would have you believe. They are pirates, raping and looting your homeland and sending away to theirs.

He was a good friend, and at times I admired the things he would do. But it is time for it to end. It is time for them to go home.

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

gabbar says

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

Not this time.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

gabbar says

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

Not this time.

nor any other time. illegals or h1b is business subsidy. those businesses have politicians on the take, it’s too hard to fight it. easier let america collapse, much easier.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

nor any other time

First term he put a moratorium on it

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

nor any other time

First term he put a moratorium on it

this time he won’t. big tech sucks, they suck, they don’t care for America. it’s an issue of the heart. that can’t be fixed with moratorium. assholes are assholes for a reason. their employees, and i met few. they utterly hate conservatives. big tech is like a giant club that submits to their ruling group that tells them what to think and believe.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

this time he won’t

Yes. That us what I said.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

this time he won’t

Yes. That us what I said.

i know, just making conversation

Yawn, some temporary shit here, some lip service there, but things remain basically the same.

This is related to work visas as Panama City Beach area (Bay County, Florida) has a lot of work visa employees in the hospitality and tourism industries.

A friend told me today there was a line out the door of job applicants for Auntie Ann's (pretzel shop) in Pier Park Panama City Beach.

Yet the local power brokers claim we need work visas since there is not enough of a local labor pool.

Just go to Employ Bay County page on Facebook to see how a lot of people cannot find work.