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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   7,543 views  277 comments

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https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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224   KgK one   2025 May 25, 10:17am  




It was place to be, EU was shithole till 1600, n US didn't exist. Till British removed 45 trillion wealth n death industrialized, n starved 100 million to death.

225   RWSGFY   2025 May 25, 10:42am  

MolotovCocktail says

Indian version of Titanic:




Shitanic.
226   Patrick   2025 May 25, 1:08pm  

KgK one says

It was place to be, EU was shithole till 1600, n US didn't exist. Till British removed 45 trillion wealth n death industrialized, n starved 100 million to death.


Ireland was more culturally advanced than England from about 800AD to 1200AD. Irish monks could read Latin and the ancient books were well known, while the English did not have much of that knowledge until the Irish and some missionaries from Rome brought it back to England. The English ultimately won and dominated Ireland because they developed more advanced commerce and warfare, and then invaded. The Irish upper classes fled to Spain, France, Austria, and Russia, and so only the peasants were left in Ireland for a very long time, forced to be tenant farmers, paying the English to live on their own ancestral land.

I think India had a similar experience with the English, but 45 trillion dollars of wealth was not moved from India to Britain. Most "wealth" is not gold or any other commodity, but is instead fundamentally a well-ordered society with many thriving businesses producing what people need. This can happen only if the government fairly enforces laws. Gold is just a way for people to trade with each other and with other countries. The British destroyed the society in India rather like they did in Ireland, but what did they physically take from India? Gold as taxes, textiles, tea, opium. That was the lesser harm. The real harm was the destruction of the old well-ordered Indian society. Now government corruption and ethnic factionalism prevents India from developing rapidly.
227   HeadSet   2025 May 25, 2:55pm  

Patrick says

The real harm was the destruction of the old well-ordered Indian society.

If India had a well-ordered society, the British would not have been able to conquer it.
228   Patrick   2025 May 25, 3:00pm  

Maybe they had the same problem that the Irish did. Not unified enough, or good enough with commerce and weapons.
229   HeadSet   2025 May 25, 3:17pm  

Patrick says

Not unified enough

That is an understatement. Walk ten miles and the folks speak a different language.
231   KgK one   2025 May 26, 1:40pm  

HeadSet says

India

It was highly ordered. However india has been battling Islam on west since 700. In 1300 to 1500 Islam took over north india, they destroys millions of temples, infra, universities, killed of lot of people 100 million estimate. 1600 to 1750 they were able to control Islam. Then British who originally came for trade, east india company turned into business empire. Even indians used to give $ to british as loan to fight. They didn't repay, instead took over the country. Yes there is always infighting, india had 550 kingdoms when British left.

232   Patrick   2025 May 26, 2:31pm  

Thanks, I didn't know about Indian loans to the British.

I think that Muslims were successful at invading India at first for a lot of reasons:

- Muslims were more unified
- Muslims had better weapons, such as cannons
- Muslims ate meat, which made them stronger
- low-caste Indians had a motive to convert to Islam, which promised to treat them as equals

I've read that one reason Islam spread in the Middle East was that they promised a relatively low 2.5% tax on assets, while the local governments had much higher taxes, and poor people didn't have any assets to tax anyway. So a lot of people supported the Muslims as a way to get lower taxes.

Looks like the Marathas exploited the corruption and division among the Muslims to ultimately take power from them starting in 1600 or so like you say. I don't really know the history though.
233   Blue   2025 May 26, 6:02pm  

Brits are smart. They still promote not only their current but past actors just in case slaves forgot their old narrative.
A while ago they shot a movie on one of the worst pedophile jihadist Mohammad Akmal Gandhi. Under their heavily promoted name Mahatma Gandhi.
LOL In his entire life he says, never fight with enemy but ask them to beat you!!!
He asked Indian military join Brits and fight in WW2.
After military came back and chased Brits out of the country within few months on a separate note.
But Brits say, they left because of Akmal who barely walks in adult diapers!
Now the current actors trying to promote him as “father” of the country ;)
Most of the history is just fake and propaganda.
235   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 5, 3:56pm  

Dumbass Indian zoos can't even design their hippo pens correctly.

236   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 6, 12:26pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Some AI out there = Actually Indians



237   RWSGFY   2025 Jun 6, 2:29pm  

MolotovCocktail says

MolotovCocktail says


Some AI out there = Actually Indians






The word "engineers" is being used very generously here.
238   KgK one   2025 Jun 6, 4:04pm  

You know ceos of many computer n ai companies are indian. Significant percent of engineers n doctors in usa are indian. India suffers from brain drain, due to higher pay. Relax they are not going to take your women, kick you out of your home, starve you, n decimated you thru diseases...

Great view of



239   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 10, 8:59am  

Aryans in India dealing with street shitter caste:


240   RWSGFY   2025 Jun 10, 9:56am  

KgK one says

Significant percent of engineers n doctors in usa are indian.


I work with them. Color me unimpressed.
241   🎂 Eric Holder   2025 Jun 10, 3:51pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Aryans in India dealing with street shitter caste:





Where do "arians" shit there? In an entirely separate field?
243   KgK one   2025 Jun 11, 5:54pm  

Molotov what kind of food do you eat? Do you eat sausage made from pig intestine? Or hotdogs full of mystery meat which includes shit n piss of animals? Speaking of shitting ,where do most of the world before 100 years or solders in field shit? , 20% of Americans eat ass, you should look into it.

Spices, onion, garlic n many other are very flavorful but creates smell for some people. Just because you haven't found flavor it sucks for you. Columbus was looking for route to india to get spices, in those days you bribe people with spices. So indirectly usa was found because of spices
244   KgK one   2025 Jun 14, 7:27am  

Amazing step wells, helps storing water .
https://youtu.be/dhvlJfqJ_X8?si=_Uo5pQbgOtuCZ4a0












245   Blue   2025 Jun 19, 6:01pm  

Pakistan's army chief, Field Marshal Asim ...
After the Pahalgam terror attack in which 26 civilians lost their lives.
Trump invited him to White House for dinner!

Trump is not any different from any other president who is against India as part of the policy.
247   everything   2025 Jun 21, 5:20pm  

If you get to know India men, etc., the females are even worse. I sell to them at an open market. Now, the ladies, I will toy with them, as they toy with me, the lady might be wearing, sometimes 10 thousand in gold on her wrists, neck, etc. but will fight over a dollar or two with me on cost. They are known to be the most racist country in the world. Their much younger children, as in they are now 20-25 years old can be way more with the times as in tolerance and acceptance of others and being cool with all people in general. I thought Meet the Patels was alright, but it's the only thing I've watched from them.

The H1B who come to the states, so many are masters degrees the lottery system is corrupt, your buying a ticket because your parents are rich. So, if they seem spoiled and entitled it's because they are. They are smart, they know how to mediate, relax the mind. But, it's rare you will see one marrying a white girl. They will settle here, quite often, their country is kind of a you know, kind of toxic.
249   Patrick   2025 Jun 23, 10:44am  

The Western ideal of a meritocracy indifferent to race or other background is not shared by most of the world, so it becomes a weak point when we get too many immigrants from outside the West.

OTOH, their children may become well assimilated. The Irish had a reputation for hiring only their own for big city government jobs, but are now pretty much entirely assimilated into Anglo culture.
250   gabbar   2025 Jun 24, 4:59am  

Patrick says

The Irish had a reputation for hiring only their own for big city government jobs, but are now pretty much entirely assimilated into Anglo culture.


I heard about this; in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, there are many elected Irish judges.
251   Patrick   2025 Jun 24, 10:10am  

Yes, and for maybe 100 years most police and firemen in big cities were Irish.
253   KgK one   2025 Jun 29, 11:39am  

@everything
"but will fight over a dollar or two with me on cost "
You are a street vendor , in india culture is to bargain with street vendors and usually you can lower it to 25% of original price. If you were selling in actual store they won't bargain, if they like it they will pay.

"They are known to be the most racist country in the world. " These surveys are very biased. Only people who want to loot, destroy or convert have issue. India is only country where jews were never persecuted, they are there since 2000 years ago. Parsis , tibetians, zorastrians, sindhis, sikhs, buddists ,Christians , jains, all were persecuted by islam but took asylum in india and are living there 1000s of years. Multi god acceptance allows people to be ok with other beliefs. Go to ajanta caves hindu, buddist, jain temple coexist for 1400, islam destroyed some of it. There are 2000 year old churches n mosques also. Mistake of India is that it allwed muslim population to grow too.much now they bite the hand that fed them.
256   WookieMan   2025 Jul 3, 9:39am  

KgK one says




High level frequency knowledge long ago
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLYKUljOb2f/?igsh=MWRhY240Mm40aWl6ag%3D%3D

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEgUVraNSgg/?igsh=YXdxYTFoYnphYjFp

That bar graph makes no sense. There is no "Caribbean" when you have Dominican, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico (at least Eastern shore line), Haiti, Jamaica, Guatemala (east coast) on the list. Those are all Caribbean....

This is why I hate images. Pictures can say a thousand words OR lies. And who the hell are the Personal Financial Wizards? Graph is 100% BS. It was created to make a false narrative against some group.
258   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Jul 5, 8:17am  

KgK one says

Mistake of India is that it allwed muslim population to grow too.much now they bite the hand that fed them.

You will love the video here, full of cope and ignorance.
https://patrick.net/post/1384956/?start=-39#last

The Axis of jerk wimps never stops playing the dindu nuthin' victim that launches unprovoked raids.
259   HeadSet   2025 Jul 5, 1:12pm  

MolotovCocktail says





I have a feeling that "excessive paperwork" is a conduit or even a euphemism for "bribes."
260   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Jul 5, 1:18pm  

HeadSet says

I have a feeling that "excessive paperwork" is a conduit or even a euphemism for "bribes."


Perhaps and several years ago I saw an article that claimed that it takes about 3 years to get a business license in India vs. 1 day in China and 3 months typically in the US. Because of crap like this. Waiting for your government forms and paperwork to go through the system. The article was also putting a spin on it being due to the fact that India is a pure democracy and not a republic.

If I recall it took me less than 4 weeks in Hawaii and they are snailish and run on "Island Time".
261   Patrick   2025 Jul 5, 1:33pm  

Why is there any business license requirement at all, beyond establishing the identity of the owners so that someone is liable for whatever illegal activity the business does?
262   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Jul 5, 1:36pm  

Patrick says

Why is there any business license requirement at all, beyond establishing the identity of the owners so that someone is liable for whatever illegal activity the business does?


Hawaii requires it for vacation rentals. You get tax ids to pay several types of taxes, like the hotel industry does.
263   Blue   2025 Jul 5, 2:28pm  

Patrick says

Why is there any business license requirement at all, beyond establishing the identity of the owners so that someone is liable for whatever illegal activity the business does?

Result of communism in action!
Lots gov employees are selected not based on the merit!
Most of them have no clue about the real world!
Long time ago, I applied for one to manufacture TVs and kept going to the office to get appointment. When I finally able to meet with official after bribing who immediately told me so many things are wrong with my application and threatening the consequences if I don’t get so many certifications.
That would take few years!
He gaslighted me that I was already making TVs! That means more bribes. Turns out, there are so many gov devils in line hiding for money ;)
Finally got paperwork only to realize that a small fraction of the sales should go to paper work to cover very high taxes and still have to pay monthly bribes for things which are not on the paper!
I am sure, things might have changed a little bit now but not enough to compete with other countries.

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