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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   21,730 views  628 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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283   Patrick   2025 Aug 10, 11:10am  

Indians have an older system for moving money, hawala. Give money to a member of a banking family on this side, and someone in India can go collect from a different family member in India.

Impossible to stop it or tax it.
293   PeopleUnited   2025 Sep 4, 7:35am  

Patrick says

"KgK one" I don't like all the insults to India either.

But it is ok to insult and demonize Jews right? Patnet is becoming a haven for those who seek to scapegoat Jews. It’s not a good look.
294   Patrick   2025 Sep 4, 8:24am  

The problem is that there are legitimate and illegitimate complaints to be made about every group and they often get mixed.

I think it's over the line to post the comic of the hook-nosed Jew rubbing his hands together, or the big-lipped black guy stealing a bike. I don't want to censor, so my compromise is that those should go in the political incorrectness thread.

But it's also true that Jews have a disproportionate involvement in financial crime, and blacks in violent crime. Obviously not all of either group, just provably disproportionate, and it's legitimate to ask exactly why that is. The mainstream media will never ask why that is. All discussion of such topics is ruthlessly censored, and white people are demonized instead. That's not a good look either.
295   RWSGFY   2025 Sep 4, 8:58am  

According to out friend KgK sober indians behave the same way as mentally ill SF junkies, lol.

He's quite an indian-hater.
296   KgK one   2025 Sep 4, 9:31am  

RWSGFY says


According to out friend KgK sober indians behave the same way as mentally ill SF junkies, lol.

He's quite an indian-hater.

Point is not to compare those. But to point out there are way more non-indian people who behave badly in public compare to them but media n racist exagerate few instances.

San fancosco had 750,000 homeless, almost poop on street n you don't see this much news on it. Same in ny, Newark, philadelphia. For well off country this is not good. For india where, 200years of colonism left india poor from one of the richest, this is expected since they don't have all the facilities yet. They built 90 million toilets, so issue is lot less now.
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297   Patrick   2025 Sep 4, 9:38am  

True, I don't think any Indians are shitting on the street in the US.

It's all from the drug addicts, who are mostly either white or black.
298   RWSGFY   2025 Sep 4, 10:43am  

The point here is the behavior cinsidered not normal in the West and perpetuated only by people obviously mentally ill and addicted to hard drugs is considered pretty normal and mainstream in India. One of my kid's middle school Indian classmates proclaimed that shitting outside is more healthy and hygienic than using a toilet. If an Indian kid living in California thinks like that it means he has picked it up from his parents' culture and hears this at home.
301   KgK one   2025 Sep 5, 12:57pm  

RWSGFY says

The point here is the behavior cinsidered not normal in the West and perpetuated only by people obviously mentally ill and addicted to hard drugs is considered pretty normal and mainstream in India. One of my kid's middle school Indian classmates proclaimed that shitting outside is more healthy and hygienic than using a toilet. If an Indian kid living in California thinks like that it means he has picked it up from his parents' culture and hears this at home.


This not culture of India either. Poverty or lack of toilet was causing that. Most people are not doing that. In old days when there was no indoor plumbing , then people used to go out but this has been fixed a lot. It's criticized in india as well.

90 million new toilets built guiness world record, india is not in top 10 percent wise now. For relative poor country it's impressive.

Usa, san fracisco richest county. it's bad that this many mentally ill n drug addicts roam around.

That drug issue is tip of much bigger problem. You don't want your kids around that. You dont want that kind of culture near your kids.

Us has high number of stds also, you might want to avoid that culture also.

Educationally us is way behind even compared to 1st world countries, make sure you keep your kids away from that also.
302   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Sep 5, 1:06pm  

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303   SharkyP   2025 Sep 5, 1:51pm  

When I was living on the beach in Florida my girlfriend and I stopped at an ice cream shop and were waiting in line when an Indian woman and her daughter just cut in front of us and pretended they were next! I verbally bitch slapped her and reminded her she was in the United States of America and we don’t put up with that shit. She turned around, stood there for a minute, then quietly left with daughter in tow.
307   Patrick   2025 Sep 15, 9:06pm  

Patrick says


But it's also true that Jews have a disproportionate involvement in financial crime


It's so common, maybe there should be a thread for it.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/business/charlie-javice-invokes-holocaust-survivor-grandmother-in-letter-to-judge/


Charlie Javice, who defrauded JPMorgan out of $175M, invokes Holocaust survivor grandmother in letter to judge: ‘I am truly sorry’

By Ariel Zilber
Published Sep. 15, 2025

“I accept the jury’s verdict and take full responsibility for my actions. There are no excuses, only regret — I am truly sorry,” Javice, the founder of student aid startup Frank, wrote in a letter to Judge Alvin Hellerstein on Friday ahead of her sentencing.


Lol, so the criminal, the author of the article, and judge all seem to be Jewish.


Her lawyers are asking for a no-prison sentence and no restitution to JPMorgan.


Chutzpah!
309   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 19, 11:33pm  

Hahaha! Modhi didn't suck Trump's dick with his BRICS mouth. FAFO time!







More details here:

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310   AD   2025 Sep 19, 11:33pm  

MolotovCocktail says






Also I think this is Trump's way to deal with India ignoring sanctions by purchasing Russian oil and gas. I hope this new $100K H1-B fee holds up for a few years at least.
311   AD   2025 Sep 19, 11:34pm  

The 55K of the China H1-B visas are just Chicom spies especially with intellectual property.
312   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 19, 11:38pm  

AD says

The 55K of the China H1-B visas are just Chicom spies especially with intellectual property.


Order goes into effect on Monday, too. The $100k whenever H1B's re-enter the US part. So, any Indians currently on one of their 4 week vacations that American workers get will be fucked.
313   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 8:35am  

AD says

Also I think this is Trump's way to deal with India ignoring sanctions by purchasing Russian oil and gas.


Ah, that makes sense.
314   KgK one   2025 Sep 20, 9:00am  

Usa originally asked india to purchase more Russian oil to reduce inflation. Remember gas was 5 $ / gallon from 2.5. Oil would been 10. Same reason biden got kicked out was high prices.

Usa itself buys lot from russia,
Eu n china also buy lot from russia.

This may be good for indias independece in long run, it needs to create its own apps google, Facebook,.. all can be built there. China russia all have their own apps. If IT Talent can build here in usa can also build there. Big it will lose about half of its customers also.

Even Indian people here prefer less h1, as jobs are not available easily.
315   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 11:16am  

AD says


Also I think this is Trump's way to deal with India ignoring sanctions by purchasing Russian oil and gas. I hope this new $100K H1-B fee holds up for a few years at least.


That's what I meant when I said this:

MolotovCocktail says


Hahaha! Modhi didn't suck Trump's dick with his BRICS mouth. FAFO
316   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 11:19am  

KgK one says

Usa originally asked india to purchase more Russian oil to reduce inflation. Remember gas was 5 $ / gallon from 2.5. Oil would been 10. Same reason biden got kicked out was high prices.

Usa itself buys lot from russia,
Eu n china also buy lot from russia.

This may be good for indias independece in long run, it needs to create its own apps google, Facebook,.. all can be built there. China russia all have their own apps. If IT Talent can build here in usa can also build there. Big it will lose about half of its customers also.

Even Indian people here prefer less h1, as jobs are not available easily.


India buying Russian oil does not reduce inflation in the US.
317   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Sep 20, 11:25am  

Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.
318   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 11:30am  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says


Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.


Yeah. Those overseas are fucked. And those whose extensions are coming up are likewise fucked. If they have mortgages, they'll probably walk away from those, too.

India is fucked. Mortgage lenders in Silicon Valley are also fucked.




319   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 11:58am  

I think this could seriously reduce prices in the Bay Area, especially Fremont, which is like 90% Indian H1bs.

Maybe I'll finally find it economical to buy a house. Not counting on it, but would be nice.
320   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 12:02pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.


On the one hand, I'd be pissed if I were trying to get such a flight.

On the other hand, those people reserving the tix are actually defending Americans from having their wages driven down and rents driven up by the flood of H1bs.

And it's not illegal and not violent. So I support the tactic of flooding the reservation systems to defend America.
322   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 12:20pm  

Patrick says


Maga_Chaos_Monkey says


Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.


On the one hand, I'd be pissed if I were trying to get such a flight.

On the other hand, those people reserving the tix are actually defending Americans from having their wages driven down and rents driven up by the flood of H1bs.

And it's not illegal and not violent. So I support the tactic of flooding the reservation systems to defend America.



Yeahhh...about that @Patrick

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2209002

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