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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   21,717 views  628 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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313   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 8:35am  

AD says

Also I think this is Trump's way to deal with India ignoring sanctions by purchasing Russian oil and gas.


Ah, that makes sense.
314   KgK one   2025 Sep 20, 9:00am  

Usa originally asked india to purchase more Russian oil to reduce inflation. Remember gas was 5 $ / gallon from 2.5. Oil would been 10. Same reason biden got kicked out was high prices.

Usa itself buys lot from russia,
Eu n china also buy lot from russia.

This may be good for indias independece in long run, it needs to create its own apps google, Facebook,.. all can be built there. China russia all have their own apps. If IT Talent can build here in usa can also build there. Big it will lose about half of its customers also.

Even Indian people here prefer less h1, as jobs are not available easily.
315   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 11:16am  

AD says


Also I think this is Trump's way to deal with India ignoring sanctions by purchasing Russian oil and gas. I hope this new $100K H1-B fee holds up for a few years at least.


That's what I meant when I said this:

MolotovCocktail says


Hahaha! Modhi didn't suck Trump's dick with his BRICS mouth. FAFO
316   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 11:19am  

KgK one says

Usa originally asked india to purchase more Russian oil to reduce inflation. Remember gas was 5 $ / gallon from 2.5. Oil would been 10. Same reason biden got kicked out was high prices.

Usa itself buys lot from russia,
Eu n china also buy lot from russia.

This may be good for indias independece in long run, it needs to create its own apps google, Facebook,.. all can be built there. China russia all have their own apps. If IT Talent can build here in usa can also build there. Big it will lose about half of its customers also.

Even Indian people here prefer less h1, as jobs are not available easily.


India buying Russian oil does not reduce inflation in the US.
317   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Sep 20, 11:25am  

Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.
318   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 11:30am  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says


Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.


Yeah. Those overseas are fucked. And those whose extensions are coming up are likewise fucked. If they have mortgages, they'll probably walk away from those, too.

India is fucked. Mortgage lenders in Silicon Valley are also fucked.




319   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 11:58am  

I think this could seriously reduce prices in the Bay Area, especially Fremont, which is like 90% Indian H1bs.

Maybe I'll finally find it economical to buy a house. Not counting on it, but would be nice.
320   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 12:02pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.


On the one hand, I'd be pissed if I were trying to get such a flight.

On the other hand, those people reserving the tix are actually defending Americans from having their wages driven down and rents driven up by the flood of H1bs.

And it's not illegal and not violent. So I support the tactic of flooding the reservation systems to defend America.
322   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 12:20pm  

Patrick says


Maga_Chaos_Monkey says


Apparently 4chan autists are reserving airline tix from India to the US 15mins at a time to make it more difficult for people in India to get last second flights here. Also it is apparently spiking prices massively because the computers are getting confused.


On the one hand, I'd be pissed if I were trying to get such a flight.

On the other hand, those people reserving the tix are actually defending Americans from having their wages driven down and rents driven up by the flood of H1bs.

And it's not illegal and not violent. So I support the tactic of flooding the reservation systems to defend America.



Yeahhh...about that @Patrick

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2209002
323   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 12:29pm  

KgK one says

Even Indian people here prefer less h1, as jobs are not available easily.


That makes sense.

Legal Hispanics in the US are also opposed to illegals who take their jobs and drive down their wages.
325   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 12:41pm  

H1-B distribution:


326   REpro   2025 Sep 20, 12:57pm  

For housing hunters!

You may see opportunity. Inflow of houses, condos for sale with liquidation prices. Rental vacances will follow.
332   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 2:38pm  

SUMMARY OF H-1B EXECUTIVE ORDER

- ENTRY BAN: No H-1B visa holder may enter the United States beginning Sunday September 21st, including current visa holders, unles they pay $100K to enter.

- VISA FEE: New H-1B and H-1B extensions must pay 100K to be processed and 100K per year every year thereafter to maintain them.

This will effectively end the H-1B program completely. No one, even the highest paid at 500K will be paying an extra 100K a year to the government.
333   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 2:45pm  

3.5 million tech jobs openings on Monday polish your resume this weekend!
334   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 2:50pm  

This is the Trump we want to see. Anything to stop Indians from immigrating to the West

The absolutely worst group of people to live around outside of African Americans.
336   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 2:54pm  

Do you think India knows by now that every country very much dislikes them?
338   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 3:04pm  




Scrolling down this is better than getting a BJ.

For now, at least.
339   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 3:06pm  

Without Indian H1Bs who will crash our trucks?
340   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 3:11pm  

There’s not a single country in the world that would vote to increase Indian immigration if you put that question directly to the people via referendum

not. one.
341   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 3:13pm  

Booger says

There’s not a single country in the world that would vote to increase Indian immigration if you put that question directly to the people via referendum

not. one.


That's why with the exception of the Swiss, they don't get such votes brought to the Peeps.

I am seeing Canadians on X posting, "Good! We'll take them!" which is bullshit.
346   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 3:29pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Booger says







What's this?


Wikipedia parody.
347   Patrick   2025 Sep 20, 3:38pm  

Booger says

https://www.reddit.com/r/h1b/comments/1nm4rgd/you_dont_understand_the_enormity_of_this/


@Booger The Reddit censors took that down.

Do you recall what it said?
348   Booger   2025 Sep 20, 4:05pm  

Patrick says

Booger says


https://www.reddit.com/r/h1b/comments/1nm4rgd/you_dont_understand_the_enormity_of_this/


Booger The Reddit censors took that down.

Do you recall what it said?

No, but it was hilarious.
349   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 4:06pm  

Fyi: https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2209110

@Patrick - you know the Bay Area. Am I wrong about watching Fremont R/E more closely now?
350   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 4:19pm  

Wow! Things are getting heated out there!

I am shocked, I tell ya! SHOCKED!


351   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 20, 5:00pm  


Irrespective of Trump’s occasional positive and negative statements about India, I keep repeating MAGA doesn't want India to grow. They are already regretting China's growth. US very well understands IT is backbone of our economy.

MAGA, primarily white Americans hate Indians doing well in US.

They'll send back as many Indians as possible from USA. Not everyone in Indian IT is irreplaceable. Already AI is eliminating low end and entry level jobs. Big Tech is also seriously thinking about bringing high end jobs back to US and also outsource them to many other countries as they can't get a single country similar to ours for complete outsourcing.

The day is not far off IT industry in India would become unviable as Trump may tariff IT services also heavily.

It may take couple of years for these developments to play out.

Suffering of IT industry means suffering of entire urban India and white collar economy.

Be cautious with your money. For example, it may not be a right time to 'invest' in real estate.

Real estate stands on two pillars - legal money from IT professionals in India and NRIs. The other pillar is parking of black money by corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and businessmen.

If the first pillar gets affected, second too would be impacted. Demand would slow down. Money flow in economy would come down. You need good money flow in the economy for corruption too.

I'm more pessimistic about Indian economy and markets for next 3 to 5 years. I would be happy to be proven wrong. But this is how I see it now.


https://x.com/dmuthuk/status/1969262558336209011


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