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indc says

I dont want to repeat myself but Britian looted 45 trillion$ according to some estimates. So how did you come to the conclusion that Indians were poor?

Then how was Britain able to conquer India with an expeditionary force? Had the general population been prosperous they would have fought the British. Like most feudal societies', the population does not care who rules them and it is all the same who taxes them.

@MolotovCocktail

Ethnic insults are not forbidden, but should go in https://patrick.net/post/1285044/2015-09-19-national-political-incorrectness-day

indc says

India was the most egalitarian society in history of the world before the advent and spread of the Abrahamic religions.

I think Indians are generally nice people, but let's not get ridiculous on claims of egalitarianism in a society that had untouchables.

The Jeet shit is out of control and comes from Qatari-paid Thai and Pak boilerrooms, the Emir of Qatar being devoted to the MB cause hardcore (which Tuqar dodged in his softball, frankly cocksucking, interview)

It's already been posted here, the chart of "Do you want people like you as neighbors" as India scored some of the highest in that category, far in excess of the west.

I'll try to track it down.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Lolol, the frogs!

HeadSet says

indc says

I dont want to repeat myself but Britian looted 45 trillion$ according to some estimates. So how did you come to the conclusion that Indians were poor?

Then how was Britain able to conquer India with an expeditionary force? Had the general population been prosperous they would have fought the British. Like most feudal societies', the population does not care who rules them and it is all the same who taxes them.

India has been fighting islam since 700s. 1200 they actually started taking over State by state. around 1650 they took it back from islam. There were still constant attacks by Muslims. And now pakistan is still attacking, funded by west. So it was not ever without war. Then from Southern coast around 1600s British , French, portugese n Dutch switched from trade to colonization. So now you have multi front war. India had 550 kingdoms so they also were infighting. Weakened india made it easier to take over by British. Even under British, lot of kingdoms were semi independent.

After independent india had one gandhi family ,who are like democrats, sold the country to muslims and simultaneously keeping india poor. 70 years one family rule n fake democracy.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

I have 2 questions for you:
1) What were the questions asked for this survey?

2) This is a question on quora:
https://www.quora.com/Can-I-sue-my-neighbor-for-BBQing-meat-despite-me-repeatedly-telling-him-Im-vegan/answer/Dean-Ralph-2
Can I sue my neighbor for BBQing meat despite me repeatedly telling him I'm vegan?
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What could be your answer for it?

HeadSet says

Then how was Britain able to conquer India with an expeditionary force? Had the general population been prosperous they would have fought the British. Like most feudal societies', the population does not care who rules them and it is all the same who taxes them

How long do you think the EIC took to occupy whole of India?
I am not sure why you think British were occupying force fighting the locals? They were fighting the muslim Invaders hence locals helped them in Bengal area of India. Once they had the foothold the used the Indian forces with better artillery to take over whole country.

Also EIC was funded by Indian traders because they didn't know they will become their rulers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianHistory/comments/1gawqpa/why_did_hindu_and_jain_bankers_give_overwhelming/

And you concur that population dont care who rules them. So why are you guys crying about caste system if it was prevalent in feudal system?

The difference between white feudalism and Indian feudalism is that population was not forced to join the fighting troops.

MolotovCocktail says

Are you a bangladeshi? This account is managed by a bangladeshi.

No one said whole of India is clean. Even I wouldn't say that. And no big country can say that. Even US is the same.

But I would like to ask you why do you think that UK did not loot 45 trillion$ worth from India?

indc says

Are you a bangladeshi? This account is managed by a bangladeshi.

1) Prove it.
2) So what?

My account is managed by an American.

indc says

No one said whole of India is clean.

And nobody is saying that.

indc says

But I would like to ask you why do you think that UK did not loot 45 trillion$ worth from India?

They didn't. India was never worth that much.

And they left India 78 years ago.

Whenever an Indian blames UK colonialism
for the shithole it is today, they automatically lose all credibility.

I mean, what an unserious position. Like BRICS.

MolotovCocktail says

1) Prove it.
2) So what?

My account is managed by an American

Just checking. Many X handles with white sounding names and indian names are managed by Pakis and Bangladeshis.

MolotovCocktail says

They didn't. India was never worth that much.

And they left India 78 years ago.

Again how did you guess India's worth? For 1500yrs India was 35% of global GDP. So how did you come to the conclusion of India's worth.
That number is calculated from the books managed by british for all the goods the shipped out of India. So it is the official number. If you want to include unofficial number it could be 2 to 3 times. But I would stick with official number.

British left India 78 yrs ago. Yes. But India got complete freedom in 2014 when it stopped being anyones dog.

Indian air force was controlled by British officers until 1955.
Indian secret service was reporting to British until 1970's.

Which shows that India was not really free.

CIvic sense is something that's missing in many uneducated and few educated Indian's. But people are trying to spread awareness and will take 2 more generations before that sets in.

indc says

Again how did you guess India's worth? For 1500yrs India was 35% of global GDP. So how did you come to the conclusion of India's worth.

You can't EITHER WAY. Esp over such time spans. And you can't apply current standards either. Like GDP. Pre-industrial agrarian societies have far less monetary transactions, for example. And that is what GDP is calculated from.

indc says

That number is calculated from the books managed by british for all the goods the shipped out of India. So it is the official number

Ditto. And goods shipped out of India doesn't translate into India's net worth, either. And what is the cost of the improvements the Brits put into India. Railroads, functional civil service, etc.? Most of which India wrecked.

indc says

British left India 78 yrs ago. Yes. But India got complete freedom in 2014 when it stopped being anyones dog.

What is that garbage mean? Did India become independent in 1947 or not?

indc says

Indian air force was controlled by British officers until 1955.
Indian secret service was reporting to British until 1970's.

So?

That was India's decision.

indc says

CIvic sense is something that's missing in many uneducated and few educated Indian's. But people are trying to spread awareness and will take 2 more generations before that sets in.

Civic sense = "Blame our shithole problems on colonialism that ended 77 years ago."

There's no excuse. India is a shithole due to India's fuckups, nothing more.

Singapore got its independence in the 1960s. Hell..it was thrown out of Malaysia. It started out as poor as India was. It started going its own way twenty years after India did. With practically zero natural resources.

What happened? Did they shit in the streets and blamed the filth on the Brits? No.

The colonialism victimhood card just doesn't fly. Its why your cities are shitholes and will continue to be. You blame the Brits so you can deflect from your own shame.

As of 2025, India's nominal GDP is estimated to be $4.19 trillion, making it the fourth-largest economy in the world. This positions India closely behind Germany and Japan, which have nominal GDPs of approximately $4.74 trillion and $4.18 trillion, respectively.

You have NO FUCKING REAL EXCUSE. None.

None.

MolotovCocktail says

You can't EITHER WAY. Esp over such time spans. And you can't apply current standards either. Like GDP. Pre-industrial agrarian societies have far less monetary transactions, for example. And that is what GDP is calculated from.

So you want to apply present standards to past 2000yrs?MolotovCocktail says

So?

That was India's decision.

Yeah because britian wanted to give conditional freedom. And India wanted to take it. I dont like this comparison but do you prefer community service or jail time?

MolotovCocktail says

Civic sense = "Blame our shithole problems on colonialism that ended 77 years ago."

There's no excuse. India is a shithole due to India's fuckups, nothing more.

India is doing it in their own country why is it causing you heart burn?

MolotovCocktail says

Singapore got its independence in the 1960s

Did you compare a small city state to a country of India's size?MolotovCocktail says

Ditto. And goods shipped out of India doesn't translate into India's net worth, either. And what is the cost of the improvements the Brits put into India. Railroads, functional civil service, etc.? Most of which India wrecked.

I am trying to show your stupidity in your statement. Are you saying the goods looted from india are not their worth? Where did you get this logic?

Indian minister shashe tharoor said it better. Countries got railroads even without getting colonized. This is such a stupid statement I see from many white people.
British definitely left stupid bureaucracy which is draining the country with its corruption.

indc says

Yeah because britian wanted to give conditional freedom. And India wanted to take it. I dont like this comparison but do you prefer community service or jail time?

More Indian pusillanimousity! Do you know how pathetic you sound?

indc says

Did you compare a small city state to a country of India's size?

Yes. Because India had way way more when it gained independence than Singapore did. Yet Singapore leaped to glistening First World status within 25 years.

indc says

I am trying to show your stupidity in your statement. Are you saying the goods looted from india are not their worth? Where did you get this logic?

General accounting standards. A business is worth about 2-3 times its annual income, for example. Not the total income it ever made or sold to one customer.

And for nations, even less so. The wealth produced in the past doesn't reflect the present or future at all, by itself.

indc says

Indian minister shashe tharoor said it better. Countries got railroads even without getting colonized

But India didn't. The Brits built it. And the roads. And whatever damns, canals, etc.

See the pattern? You Indians deflect even amongst yourselves the harsh truth: your country is reflective of your culture. You don't want to face this harsh truth so you engage in all this projection and deflection that defies logic, mostly. You are even quoting a minister doing the very same. Right now.

$4.19 trillion GDP... fourth-largest economy in the world.

No excuse to be such a total shit hole. Certainly not colonialism that ended 77 years ago.

And you know it.

MolotovCocktail says

More Indian pusillanimousity! Do you know how pathetic you sound?

I completely agree the system was pusillanimous. Gandhi was stupid in this regard. Indians should have killed the 100,000 white men instead of begging for freedom just like in south africa.

MolotovCocktail says

Yes. Because India had way way more when it gained independence than Singapore did. Yet Singapore leaped to glistening First World status within 25 years.

Do you know how singapore became so rich while making nothing? It was because of tax breaks and having a port at important location for trade routes.
Yes India had way more but it had way more responsibilities. So this comparison is so silly.
MolotovCocktail says

And for nations, even less so. The wealth produced in the past doesn't reflect the present or future at all, by itself.

I am sorry man. This just looks like rant instead of making any point. I asked you a simple question. Do you believe UK drained 45 trillion$ worth resources from India or not. I dont care if you think India was rich or poor in this regard because there is no way I can change your beliefs about this.

MolotovCocktail says

But India didn't. The Brits built it. And the roads. And whatever damns, canals, etc.

Where did you get all this information. Are you really a white american. I rarely see or interact with white people who have so much "authority" on what british did in India? Did you study Indian history in your schooling years?

Now coming to your point about railways.The first commercial railways was built in 1826. How would "India" would have built it if it was under british rule?

indc says

Indians should have killed the 100,000 white men

It's fair to fight the British military for independence, but massacres based on race are always wrong.

I'm half Irish, but do not support massacring all the British who occupy Northern Ireland.

indc says

Do you know how singapore became so rich while making nothing? It was because of tax breaks and having a port at important location for trade routes.
Yes India had way more but it had way more responsibilities. So this comparison is so silly.

No, it isn't. You just proved it by laying out what Singapore did. And the 'tax breaks' did build clean streets, either.

indc says

I am sorry man. This just looks like rant instead of making any point. I asked you a simple question. Do you believe UK drained 45 trillion$ worth resources from India or not. I dont care if you think India was rich or poor in this regard because there is no way I can change your beliefs about this.

More like: You can't handle that the UK is not responsible for India being a fucked up nation for 70 years.

Patrick says

It's fair to fight the British military for independence, but massacres based on race are always wrong.

I'm half Irish, but do not support massacring all the British who occupy Northern Ireland.

@patrick
Moltovcocktail said you indians are weak bastards as you were begging for freedom. His comment didn't trigger you.
But when I said 100,000 white men should have been killed to get freedom as sarcasm you got triggered?

When churchill was told 3 million people died in India because of the famine created by him. He said why dont all Indians die including gandhi.
So we really dont care about white man's feelings. Because you are ok if indians are killed.

MolotovCocktail says

No, it isn't. You just proved it by laying out what Singapore did. And the 'tax breaks' did build clean streets, either.

Yeah india had poor masses of 300millions. So tax breaks would have been a big no-no

MolotovCocktail says

More like: You can't handle that the UK is not responsible for India being a fucked up nation for 70 years.

I dont care about what you feel in this regard. My question which you haven't answered yet. do you agree UK looted 45 trillion$ from India. If you say no what is your reasoning?

@indc

indc says

you are ok if indians are killed.

WTF? I never said anything even remotely like that.

1. You should not lie.
2. You should not insult the other users personally.

No need to go into killing or name calling.

There are racists everywhere, whites are not immune, people who are racist dont stop at minorities they go after their own. Hitler tried to annihilate French n British.
British tried to finish Scottland , Ireland, german....

Most of the black kill other blacks.

Asian do less, but when they do it's big.

KgK one says

No need to go into killing or name calling.

Right, I hope people will stop that.

The whole argument between "India bad" and India good" is obviously not going to get anywhere. I don't like it, but I don't like censoring either.

indc says

Yeah india had poor masses of 300millions. So tax breaks would have been a big no-no

Singapore had poor masses. What world do you live in?

indc says

My question which you haven't answered yet. do you agree UK looted 45 trillion$ from India. If you say no what is your reasoning?

You didn't even read what I wrote on this.

Patrick says

WTF? I never said anything even remotely like that.

@patrick

I didn't mean you you. I am sorry for formatting like that. I was talking about average white man. I was talking about them in previous sentence if you read it again.

I like the freedom this site gives. I dont want you to censor anything. It will show to the world everyone's prejudices.

MolotovCocktail says

Singapore had poor masses. What world do you live in?

Were there 300million poor living in singapore?

I asked you simple question about 45 trillion$

After my explanation do you have counter explanation supporting your arguement that britian did not loot 45 tri.

The irony is british ran through that money and british PM is in India now begging for money and celebrating that India is investing 1.3 billiion in UK.

What loser country.

MolotovCocktail says

indc says
Yeah india had poor masses of 300millions. So tax breaks would have been a big no-no

Singapore had poor masses. What world do you live in?

indc says
My question which you haven't answered yet. do you agree UK looted 45 trillion$ from India. If you say no what is your reasoning?

You didn't even read what I wrote on this.

indc has me blocked so probably he won't see this so quoting your comment. This $45T being "looted" from India is pure BS. Fact is liken it to a human being. You're born with no money and your parents help raising you financially and with housing. Then you start adulting at 18 or so.

When you turn 70 and are a deadbeat with no money, that's on you India. You can't blame your parents. The UK gave you the opportunity of a lifetime and just own it you fucked it up and still are.

I'm 42 had hard times during the housing crash, guess what I recovered and have a $750k home in the cornfields of IL which is obscene (not a brag, but proud of it). What are Indians doing with the billions being stolen from America when they send it back to India? Shouldn't things have improved? India has been getting H1-B money for decades from US companies. And sure Indians have started successful companies, but then just bring in more H1-B employees.

At some point India has to stop living like an 18 year old thinking someone else will take care of their problems. Grow up. India's problems have nothing to do with the UK or US. Just like as a white person no one in my family tree that I have known in my lifetime had anything to do with slavery. Stop pointing the finger, you have a thumb (this is directed at indc, not you Molotov)

WookieMan says

indc has me blocked so probably he won't see this so quoting your comment. This $45T being "looted" from India is pure BS

I don't block anyone. I am absolute free speech supporter.

My question to you is how did you decide it is BS?

I don't care about rest of your comment because that BS doesn't answer my question.

Only thing i want to say is remittances are 50bil from USA to India. Indian economy is 4 trillion. It is just your supermacist thinking that India depends on you. H1B is helping US economy it doesn't do shit for Indian economy.

If you dont want this visa which helps your economy ask your govt to stop it. Dont continue crying that Indians are using this visa to steal your jobs. Indians don't vote for your govt americans do.

You want to stop US companies use this visa boycott their products to teach those companies a lesson.

Boycott amazon walmart microsoft google.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

If India was responsible for all the world's IT, Indian Employers and Politicians would fight to keep Indian IT workers at home, to keep their competitive low-wage advantage.

Btw, There is a general belief that Indian IT companies are owned by Indians. I don't have percentages but quite a percentage of the businesses are owned by foreign institutions including names like Blackrock and Vanguard etc.

https://youtube.com/shorts/MRj6VeaEv7U?si=KYlu7rcbMTnGFAUZ

In this short we can see what small changes india had in past decade under Prime minister Modi which changed indian economy

Since Molotov was talking about Singapore. Modi takes inspiration from tranformative prime minister of Singapore. Hence he is tranforming India.

Everyone complains what India did in 78yrs. India didn't have a leader like Modi who can take those transformative decisions and respecting our hindu culture.

indc says

Were there 300million poor living in singapore?

Doesn't matter what the number is.

indc says

After my explanation do you have counter explanation supporting your arguement that britian did not loot 45 tri.

It doesn't matter how much they 'looted'. What matters is that India fucked up that productivity ever since the Brits left.

indc says

https://youtube.com/shorts/MRj6VeaEv7U?si=KYlu7rcbMTnGFAUZ

In this short we can see what small changes india had in past decade under Prime minister Modi which changed indian economy

Since Molotov was talking about Singapore. Modi takes inspiration from tranformative prime minister of Singapore. Hence he is tranforming India.

Everyone complains what India did in 78yrs. India didn't have a leader like Modi who can take those transformative decisions and respecting our hindu culture.

More excuses. That's all you do.

Truth: India's poverty is a direct result of its fucked up culture. Period.

https://youtube.com/shorts/rLK4xPvUQn4?si=6yDvYKVEiqEQ6a_G

American tourist shitting directly in a lake.

Do you think its her american mentality to shit anywhere

Or she thought since she saw all stupid street shitter posts she taught she can do that too.

https://x.com/USAmbIndia/status/1977373241577550149

US ambassador to India is saying that India will invest in USA.

Hope the heathen money is acceptable.

indc says

https://youtube.com/shorts/rLK4xPvUQn4?si=6yDvYKVEiqEQ6a_G

American tourist shitting directly in a lake.

Do you think its her american mentality to shit anywhere

Or she thought since she saw all stupid street shitter posts she taught she can do that too.

Yeah. Why not? When in India, shit all over it like Indians do. Or, I can blame it on the Brits like you do.

Still has nothing to do with why your cities are godawful slums.

indc says

https://x.com/USAmbIndia/status/1977373241577550149

US ambassador to India is saying that India will invest in USA.

Hope the heathen money is acceptable.

Still has nothing to do with why your cities are godawful slums. Why can't you invest it in your own development?

..BECAUSE everyone knows it will be stolen by Indian officials, that's why.

Have you seen slum rows in la, philly, Portland, ny. 60% of people live paycheck to paycheck. Drug issues all over, pedophiles in both parties. Worlds highest debt also.

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that. Why does us has 700 bases in other countries n funds war n riots all over the world, when it can't even fix its own problems.

As money comes, india has been fixing n cleaning things. Bombay largest slum is about be destroys with high rises.

This guy explains how india was made poor.
https://youtube.com/shorts/RUJyminVavo

KgK one says

Have you seen slum rows in la, philly, Portland, ny. 60% of people live paycheck to paycheck. Drug issues all over, pedophiles in both parties. Worlds highest debt also.

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that. Why does us has 700 bases in other countries n funds war n riots all over the world, when it can't even fix its own problems.

As money comes, india has been fixing n cleaning things. Bombay largest slum is about be destroys with high rises.

This guy explains how india was made poor.
https://youtube.com/shorts/RUJyminVavo

Agreed. The constant rah rah US is winning is not only short sighted but wrong. China is eating the USs lunch tech wise and India is making strides. Trump has a lot more work today but so far he has been doing a great job. But the mess that caused (by leftoids and rinos) the US to almost lose its world dominance takes a long time to clean up. Time to spend money in the US only and fix the country.

KgK one says

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that.

US problems are due to:

1. Too much diversity, not enough unity.
2. A separate elite which divides the public so that we cannot unify to have nice things.

Patrick says

KgK one says

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that.

US problems are due to:

1. Too much diversity, not enough unity.
2. A separate elite which divides the public so that we cannot unify to have nice things.

Agreed. There is also a MBA caste of useless (upper) mgmt which controls hiring for executive positions amongst their own. Most senior techs would do a much better job for less but their only way to move up is to found their own business or break with their tech work entirely and kiss ass. The multiplier of several 100x for upper mgmt salary vs worker salary is a huge net drain on the US economy and where China does much better.