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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   21,633 views  628 comments

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https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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477   indc   2025 Oct 10, 12:26pm  

WookieMan says


indc has me blocked so probably he won't see this so quoting your comment. This $45T being "looted" from India is pure BS

I don't block anyone. I am absolute free speech supporter.

My question to you is how did you decide it is BS?

I don't care about rest of your comment because that BS doesn't answer my question.

Only thing i want to say is remittances are 50bil from USA to India. Indian economy is 4 trillion. It is just your supermacist thinking that India depends on you. H1B is helping US economy it doesn't do shit for Indian economy.

If you dont want this visa which helps your economy ask your govt to stop it. Dont continue crying that Indians are using this visa to steal your jobs. Indians don't vote for your govt americans do.

You want to stop US companies use this visa boycott their products to teach those companies a lesson.

Boycott amazon walmart microsoft google.
478   Blue   2025 Oct 10, 1:31pm  

DemoralizerOfPanicans says


If India was responsible for all the world's IT, Indian Employers and Politicians would fight to keep Indian IT workers at home, to keep their competitive low-wage advantage.


Btw, There is a general belief that Indian IT companies are owned by Indians. I don't have percentages but quite a percentage of the businesses are owned by foreign institutions including names like Blackrock and Vanguard etc.
479   indc   2025 Oct 10, 8:51pm  

https://youtube.com/shorts/MRj6VeaEv7U?si=KYlu7rcbMTnGFAUZ

In this short we can see what small changes india had in past decade under Prime minister Modi which changed indian economy

Since Molotov was talking about Singapore. Modi takes inspiration from tranformative prime minister of Singapore. Hence he is tranforming India.

Everyone complains what India did in 78yrs. India didn't have a leader like Modi who can take those transformative decisions and respecting our hindu culture.
480   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 10, 10:09pm  

indc says

Were there 300million poor living in singapore?


Doesn't matter what the number is.

indc says

After my explanation do you have counter explanation supporting your arguement that britian did not loot 45 tri.


It doesn't matter how much they 'looted'. What matters is that India fucked up that productivity ever since the Brits left.
481   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 10, 10:12pm  

indc says

https://youtube.com/shorts/MRj6VeaEv7U?si=KYlu7rcbMTnGFAUZ

In this short we can see what small changes india had in past decade under Prime minister Modi which changed indian economy

Since Molotov was talking about Singapore. Modi takes inspiration from tranformative prime minister of Singapore. Hence he is tranforming India.

Everyone complains what India did in 78yrs. India didn't have a leader like Modi who can take those transformative decisions and respecting our hindu culture.


More excuses. That's all you do.

Truth: India's poverty is a direct result of its fucked up culture. Period.
482   indc   2025 Oct 12, 10:27am  

https://youtube.com/shorts/rLK4xPvUQn4?si=6yDvYKVEiqEQ6a_G

American tourist shitting directly in a lake.

Do you think its her american mentality to shit anywhere

Or she thought since she saw all stupid street shitter posts she taught she can do that too.
483   indc   2025 Oct 12, 1:03pm  

https://x.com/USAmbIndia/status/1977373241577550149

US ambassador to India is saying that India will invest in USA.

Hope the heathen money is acceptable.
484   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 12, 10:29pm  

indc says

https://youtube.com/shorts/rLK4xPvUQn4?si=6yDvYKVEiqEQ6a_G

American tourist shitting directly in a lake.

Do you think its her american mentality to shit anywhere

Or she thought since she saw all stupid street shitter posts she taught she can do that too.


Yeah. Why not? When in India, shit all over it like Indians do. Or, I can blame it on the Brits like you do.

Still has nothing to do with why your cities are godawful slums.
485   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 12, 10:30pm  

indc says

https://x.com/USAmbIndia/status/1977373241577550149

US ambassador to India is saying that India will invest in USA.

Hope the heathen money is acceptable.


Still has nothing to do with why your cities are godawful slums. Why can't you invest it in your own development?

..BECAUSE everyone knows it will be stolen by Indian officials, that's why.
486   KgK one   2025 Oct 13, 8:05am  

Have you seen slum rows in la, philly, Portland, ny. 60% of people live paycheck to paycheck. Drug issues all over, pedophiles in both parties. Worlds highest debt also.

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that. Why does us has 700 bases in other countries n funds war n riots all over the world, when it can't even fix its own problems.

As money comes, india has been fixing n cleaning things. Bombay largest slum is about be destroys with high rises.

This guy explains how india was made poor.
https://youtube.com/shorts/RUJyminVavo
487   mell   2025 Oct 13, 8:24am  

KgK one says

Have you seen slum rows in la, philly, Portland, ny. 60% of people live paycheck to paycheck. Drug issues all over, pedophiles in both parties. Worlds highest debt also.

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that. Why does us has 700 bases in other countries n funds war n riots all over the world, when it can't even fix its own problems.

As money comes, india has been fixing n cleaning things. Bombay largest slum is about be destroys with high rises.

This guy explains how india was made poor.
https://youtube.com/shorts/RUJyminVavo

Agreed. The constant rah rah US is winning is not only short sighted but wrong. China is eating the USs lunch tech wise and India is making strides. Trump has a lot more work today but so far he has been doing a great job. But the mess that caused (by leftoids and rinos) the US to almost lose its world dominance takes a long time to clean up. Time to spend money in the US only and fix the country.
488   Patrick   2025 Oct 13, 9:21am  

KgK one says

Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that.


US problems are due to:

1. Too much diversity, not enough unity.
2. A separate elite which divides the public so that we cannot unify to have nice things.
489   mell   2025 Oct 13, 9:36am  

Patrick says


KgK one says


Why can't richest country and smartest people like molotovminicocktail manage that.


US problems are due to:

1. Too much diversity, not enough unity.
2. A separate elite which divides the public so that we cannot unify to have nice things.


Agreed. There is also a MBA caste of useless (upper) mgmt which controls hiring for executive positions amongst their own. Most senior techs would do a much better job for less but their only way to move up is to found their own business or break with their tech work entirely and kiss ass. The multiplier of several 100x for upper mgmt salary vs worker salary is a huge net drain on the US economy and where China does much better.
491   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 14, 9:28am  

77 year old British sabotage of Indian streets:

492   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 14, 1:26pm  

Brits trash India's most holy river! Those damn Brits!

493   Patrick   2025 Oct 14, 1:33pm  

I visited Egypt during my sophomore year in Europe, and have to say Egypt was like that too. Trash everywhere.
494   WookieMan   2025 Oct 14, 2:08pm  

Patrick says

I visited Egypt during my sophomore year in Europe, and have to say Egypt was like that too. Trash everywhere.

I think it's just normal for some of these countries. We make fun of Karen's which is the right thing to do, but this is where these countries need some Karen's.

The problem I have with India defenders is this isn't happening in some industrial area on a few blocks like it does in the US in some cities (skid row). It is just everywhere. Get the garbage out of that river in Molotovs comment. That looks like it could be a good float river on a warm day which it is most every day. Recreational activity will lead to cleaner things. I can hike in Montana where 1k people hike a trail a day. Not 1 piece of garbage/trash anywhere. It's not that hard.
497   Patrick   2025 Oct 15, 1:16pm  

Just found out about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion


The Indian Legion was a military unit raised during the Second World War initially as part of the German Army and later the Waffen-SS from August 1944. Intended to serve as a liberation force for British-ruled India, it was made up of Indian prisoners of war and expatriates in Europe. ...

Indian independence leader Subhas Chandra Bose initiated the legion's formation, as part of his efforts to win India's independence by waging war against Britain, when he came to Berlin in 1941 seeking German aid. The initial recruits in 1941 were volunteers from the Indian students resident in Germany at the time, and a handful of the Indian prisoners of war who had been captured during the North African campaign. It later drew a larger number of Indian prisoners of war as volunteers.

Though it was initially raised as an assault group that would form a pathfinder to a German–Indian joint invasion of the western frontiers of British India, only a small contingent was ever put to its original intended purpose.




I understand wanting to help the enemy of one's enemy, but still, not a good look.
498   KgK one   2025 Oct 15, 1:21pm  






From 25,000 to 250 $ cost reduction
500   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 17, 1:43pm  

Why is this? I am genuinely curious.



501   stereotomy   2025 Oct 17, 1:49pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Why is this?





It's like the Spaniards in the Americas during the 16th century - any modern technology is invisible to people who function on paleolithic terms.
502   Patrick   2025 Oct 17, 2:05pm  

My great grandfather from Poland was killed by a train in Chicago in 1907, along with his oldest son. They were trying to cross ahead of a train in a horse and buggy.

I tried to find a newspaper article about it, but that kind of train accident happened pretty much every day at the time, since there were no crossing gates.
505   indc   2025 Oct 17, 10:26pm  

Some citizens in India are atleast asking govt to enforce the laws in food hygiene.

But Finland govt approved bread with bugs.

https://x.com/newstart_2024/status/1979221300406112288
506   KgK one   2025 Oct 18, 7:14am  

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/174uKtmzSr/

Didn't know Ireland was looted as well.
507   KgK one   2025 Oct 18, 7:58am  

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLcf4aavxOR/

Who is the real indian :)
America found by error, columbus looking for india. One trip profit would set you up for 3 generation.
508   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 18, 11:10am  

Patrick says

My great grandfather from Poland was killed by a train in Chicago in 1907, along with his oldest son. They were trying to cross ahead of a train in a horse and buggy.

I tried to find a newspaper article about it, but that kind of train accident happened pretty much every day at the time, since there were no crossing gates.


...yes, back in the days when America was a developing third world country.
510   stereotomy   2025 Oct 18, 1:39pm  

KgK one says

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/174uKtmzSr/

Didn't know Ireland was looted as well.

The English took what they learned from 500 years of raping Ireland and applied it to India. Famine was the favorite tool.
511   Patrick   2025 Oct 18, 2:09pm  

Ireland was exporting large quantities of food to England all during the famine, mostly beef.
512   stereotomy   2025 Oct 18, 3:50pm  

Patrick says


Ireland was exporting large quantities of food to England all during the famine, mostly beef.

When international outrage was at its peak, the English committed to a public works program to employ jobless Irish. Since it was against Mercantilist policy to improve a foreign country, the English instead paid Irish to rip up the roads in Ireland, further destroying the country.
513   Patrick   2025 Oct 18, 4:46pm  

There are still "famine roads" in Ireland which were pointed out to me. They don't go anywhere, but the English paid to have them built.

https://www.frrandp.com/2025/01/famine-roads.html


The Famine Roads of Ireland: Pathways to Nowhere

Across the rolling hills and rugged landscapes of western Ireland, one can find peculiar relics of a dark chapter in the island’s history. These are the Famine Roads - routes that climb into the hills, twist through valleys, and often end abruptly, leading nowhere. Their haunting presence is a testament to the desperation and suffering endured by countless Irish peasants during the Great Famine of 1845–1852.
516   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 20, 9:31am  

MolotovCocktail says


Patrick says


My great grandfather from Poland was killed by a train in Chicago in 1907, along with his oldest son. They were trying to cross ahead of a train in a horse and buggy.

I tried to find a newspaper article about it, but that kind of train accident happened pretty much every day at the time, since there were no crossing gates.


...yes, back in the days when America was a developing third world country.



Looks like the Brightline in Florida has its death toll. A lot are suicides like I witnessed at BART.


More than 180 people have met their end on Brightline tracks since 2017, making it the deadliest train in the country per million miles traveled. Even more disturbing is that most fatalities are arguably an idiosyncrasy of the state’s libertine, masochistic culture. Subsequent investigations have rarely found train conductors to be at fault, pointing instead to suicides as well as drivers attempting to beat trains at crossings. National Public Radio’s WRLN found that 41 percent of deaths since 2017 were suicides, though it neglected to provide a breakdown of the remaining fatalities. Much of the blame lies with both local and state governments, but Brightline itself has also been reluctant to spend resources on safety infrastructure due to its financial woes.


https://open.substack.com/pub/theliberalpatriot/p/limited-government-built-the-brightline

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