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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   6,468 views  251 comments

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https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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94   MolotovCocktail   2025 Feb 12, 1:36pm  

Patrick says

As with all 3rd world countries, the problem is ultimately corruption among their elites.

I was watching a Vietnamese movie about a corrupt neighborhood, and my wife remarked that most hot countries seem to be split into extreme poverty and a corrupt mafia-like elite which profits from the extreme poverty via usurious lending, concentrated land ownership, and control over the laws. Anyone who bothers to create a good business will find it taken over by that mafia. So most people don't even bother.

I guess it's not just hot countries. I know a Russian guy whose parents started a successful ISP in Russia, but the police stole it from them. Who are you going to call when it's literally the police who are committing the crimes?

The irony is that the mafia elites are also hurting themselves being very short-sighted. A more prosperous country would make them richer in the long run.


Phillipines is same way. Buddy and I had a successful security biz. Our main competition was that we had more capital than our competitors and our clients trusted us more simply because we were white boys.

When we started taking away biz with big contracts like sugar mills, etc., they moved on us.
95   Patrick   2025 Feb 12, 2:12pm  

Interesting, had no idea you'd lived there. Physical security or computer security?
96   Blue   2025 Feb 12, 2:42pm  

Judges are one of the top tier crooks in the system along with police and politicians who are more dangerous than criminals in practice!
Each case takes a lifetime if lucky or few generations particularly if it is valuable property even after giving routine bribes. Imagine, anyone can walk into gov office and register ANY property in the entire state with very little money and technically he/she is the owner from the court point of view!
Without political influence, no property is safe from criminals.
Societies are still functioning somewhat mostly based on old and essential values who support each other, not based on BS constitution or BS democracy. I am saying with great deal of personal experience and from quite a few others I know of in various fields.
97   MolotovCocktail   2025 Feb 12, 4:27pm  

Patrick says


Physical security or computer security?


I didn't. I visited. By buddy had family there. Some worked in the firm. I invested $10k (late 1990s) into it to expand the security part. We also had domestic and foreign nursing placement as well.

Example of the capitalization advantage: We would buy used hand scanners on eBay and ship them there. Our competitors couldn't afford them or were too cheap to do so.

Private security is a BIG biz in the Philippines like in so many other third world countries.
104   Blue   2025 Feb 17, 7:27pm  

Booger says






At least in one major south Indian language, it’s called Sabbu (soap).
105   Patrick   2025 Feb 18, 4:27am  

I'm sure the word sabbu is related. It was a joke about soap skipping India, and unfair to Indians.
106   HeadSet   2025 Feb 19, 9:59pm  

Patrick says

I'm sure the word sabbu is related

More likely that the word for soap was urinated in Sanskrit, and follow-on Indo-European languages evolved a similar term.
108   Patrick   2025 Feb 20, 6:19pm  

HeadSet says

More likely that the word for soap was urinated in Sanskrit, and follow-on Indo-European languages evolved a similar term.


Urinated?
109   KgK one   2025 Feb 20, 6:54pm  

Some of the smell is from spices, onion n garlic etc are smelly. Europeans loved these spices, when Barbary pirates stopped constantinople area in ~1400s , Europeans had to take long journey around Africa just to get these spices. While eupeans thought world was flat and killed many who said otherwise, columbus said world is round and tried to find faster route to india from other side. Boom, usa was found.



Wait till u learn what Europeans did n their stench.
https://youtube.com/shorts/15DjTrBaQaQ?si=pg_cmk5Qd-xv8CGb

French history
https://medium.com/@imran.haidree/the-smelly-history-of-french-royals-filth-feces-and-fragrance-navigating-the-smelly-streets-6bec914401e1

https://nstperfume.com/2010/07/23/the-great-stink-of-paris-and-the-nineteenth-century-struggle-against-filth-and-germs-by-david-s-barnes-perfume-books/

Americans are most comfortable with poop.20% eat ass. https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a34362307/how-to-eat-ass-analingus/
And so many porn sites on these in usa .
110   goofus   2025 Feb 20, 7:15pm  

Ancient Greeks not only understood earth’s shape, but calculated the circumference:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Re: your last, I suspect once gay normalization is out of the mainstream, we’ll see far less focus on exporting gay sex practices to heteros. Anyone older than millennials finds it repugnant, and Z won’t be so propagandized. Millennials are our lost generation.
111   stereotomy   2025 Feb 21, 8:57am  

"Ass is the new pussy" -Salon 2015. what.the.fuck?

Ten years of nonstop homo/pedo perv - no wonder Trump won in a landslide.

I guess now pussy is the new pussy.
112   RWSGFY   2025 Feb 21, 9:09am  

U.S. President Donald Trump has said that if Tesla (TSLA.O) were to build a factory in India to circumvent that country's tariffs, it would be "unfair" to the U.S., in an interview with Fox News which aired on Tuesday.
120   KgK one   2025 Feb 22, 11:48am  

Booger says






They bulk all asians into one. They found 90% of 250k rapes were by Pakistanis.

Because Hitler genocided 6 million jews , or British genocided all native americans in North America n australia. Should world say all western people are genocidal ?
122   Patrick   2025 Feb 22, 5:28pm  

KgK one says


British genocided all native americans in North America n australia


That's not true. First of all, they're obviously not all dead. Second, the mass deaths that did occur were from diseases. Those diseases were not deliberately transmitted. The "smallpox blanket" hoax is just that, a hoax:

https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_blankets_hoax
123   Patrick   2025 Feb 22, 5:41pm  

@"KgK one"

I agree that it's pointlessly offensive for others to go on about Hindus and soap. It's just an insult with no point other than to make people angry. Maybe all those insults should go in the "Political Incorrectness Day" thread?
125   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Feb 25, 7:23am  

Patrick says

The "smallpox blanket" hoax


That and so many people still believe in the noble savage myth. They were quite warlike and brutal to each other.
126   Patrick   2025 Feb 25, 8:13am  

Right, I read "Cannibals and Kings" by Marvin Harris in college. It documents a lot of the horrific things American Indians routinely did to each other, like skinning prisoners alive.
127   KgK one   2025 Feb 26, 9:19am  

No doubt natives had war, crulty n lot of killing like rest of the world. Somehow manage to live n grow for centuries. Many factors may have impacted their decrease. Infection diseases may be one but small one. these guys lived outdoors, somewhat far apart, with sun, n fresh air. Colonies were even far apart. N also doesn't take 150 years for infection to spread. War, getting kicked out of familiar land, lack of food... others may have impacted.




https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8ay38ByAqj/?igsh=Z3V0azhzYzIzMHMw

https://youtu.be/36hh__MNJus?si=r7H7K2AtR1qKSnx4
129   Ceffer   2025 Feb 26, 11:14am  

Patrick says


Right, I read "Cannibals and Kings" by Marvin Harris in college. It documents a lot of the horrific things American Indians routinely did to each other, like skinning prisoners alive.

It's a situation that still exists in the Middle East (Syria) that was the curse of Lawrence of Arabia to unification (Hegelian Dialectic Heaven?). The tribes all had their own Hatfield and McCoy grudge matches, religious variations and traditional hatreds against each other that wouldn't die.

The American Indians were both repressed and empowered by the Euros. They got amenities, horses and weapons, but they were less tuned to the actual alien threat than they were to perceived advantages against their traditional tribal enemies in a kind of ethnic tunnel vision.

Diaries of Old West showed the greatest hazard to white settlers were injuries and diseases, climate, other white settlers and gun accidents, wild animals, and Indians in that general order.

Indians conquering and fighting with other Indians were ineffably cruel. Descriptions were given of tying conquered enemies to trees, letting bowels hang out, blinding and castrating, then leaving the still living enemies for animal predation.

Mexican troops in California would tie alien soldiers to trees and attach hooks and ropes to their lower jaws and then have horses tear the jaw off.

The difference between today and what could be garnered from the times (fake history or real?) is that the numbers of people involved were very small compared to modern populations, usually in the tens, hundreds or at most few thousands.
130   Patrick   2025 Feb 26, 11:26am  

Ceffer says


The American Indians were both repressed and empowered by the Euros. They got amenities, horses and weapons, but they were less tuned to the actual alien threat than they were to perceived advantages against their traditional tribal enemies in a kind of ethnic tunnel vision.


I read that the first English (well, Anglo-Normans) in Ireland were actually invited in by some Irish chieftain as a military ally to be used against his Irish enemies. Ireland was just a collection of warring clans at the time.

Huge mistake. The guy put his self-interest above long-term thinking. Then the whole island was lost to the English and still has not been entirely recovered by the Irish.
131   Patrick   2025 Feb 26, 11:32am  

KgK one says

Infection diseases may be one but small one. these guys lived outdoors, somewhat far apart, with sun, n fresh air.


In Ireland, the Black Death was only in the cities, which were entirely English. The Irish were not affected because they all lived in the countryside where there were very few rats.
132   Patrick   2025 Feb 26, 11:34am  

KgK one says

War, getting kicked out of familiar land, lack of food...


Yes, forced deportations killed a lot of American Indians.

A lot of the Armenians died from being forced marched into deserts too. The Turks didn't even have to kill most of them with guns.

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