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2025 Apr 25, 10:46pm   310 views  19 comments

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https://iceni.substack.com/i/161622842/iv-the-palantir-principle-to-be-seen-is-to-be-dominated


THE PALANTIR PRINCIPLE: TO BE SEEN IS TO BE DOMINATED
They say:

“You can’t fix what you can’t see.”

But their truth is:

“Once we can see you, we can control you.”

Palantir’s system:

Ingests fragmented data (social media, telecoms, health records, CCTV, license plate readers, web searches)

Correlates identities with behaviors

Builds semantic graphs of relationships, intent, and movement

Applies automated reasoning layers to suggest action

In law enforcement: “Precrime”
In health: “Pre-illness”
In dissent: “Pre-subversion”

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2   50de4664cd8ed59077555340c687d684   2025 Apr 26, 12:19am  

Biden/Kamala merely handed the - BigTek by Oligarchs - baton to the "other" side of the Uniparty coin. Trump has given Palantir the keys to EVERYBODY; your Medical records hoovered by BigSick A.I. , your ENTIRE Banking history & Spending patterns, everything you have EVER WRITTEN, all your fines, nudges, imperfections, wants, needs, meds. THIS, these ingredients is mixed in with WEIGHTED ALGORITHMS ... to slowly drug & kill you, after extracting all wealth & ensuring your offspring is weaker & sicker. The New World Order.
3   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 26, 6:54am  

sounds evil as hell btw, which means in America they’ll be rich.

Cia seed money too, so you know big brother is doing this shit.
4   SharkyP   2025 Apr 26, 8:11am  

I got in early on the stock after Thiele said it was going to be a huge winner. I buy on every pull back.
5   Patrick   2025 Jun 4, 9:50am  

https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/what-the-heck-is-trump-doing-dystopian


What the Heck is Trump Doing? Dystopian Database on Every American Sparks Alarm

President Trump has enlisted Palantir Technologies to build a massive, cross-agency database tracking every American citizen.

This isn’t just government overreach—it’s the blueprint for a digital dragnet.

Trump’s executive order called for unprecedented data sharing between federal agencies. Now, Palantir’s “Foundry” platform is being embedded in DHS, HHS, and the IRS—giving the government access to everything from your bank accounts and medical records to social media activity and more.

It gets worse.

Palantir’s “Gotham” software was quietly tested in New Orleans for pre-crime policing. It mapped social ties, scanned social media, and flagged people as future offenders—all based on predictive data.

Now add AI to that mix—and you’ve built the ultimate weapon of control. Palantir CEO Alex Karp even bragged about single-handedly stopping the rise of the far right in Europe.

Let that sink in. A private company—deciding whose politics are too dangerous to exist?

This isn’t a theory. It’s already happening.
6   Patrick   2025 Jun 4, 10:45am  

On the other hand:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/fountains-of-woke-wednesday-june


Palantir is an unlikely villain in this global control story. For starters, it is a publicly traded company —anyone with a brokerage account can own a piece of it— and it’s subject to SEC disclosures, shareholder lawsuits, and the usual quarterly pressures. Not exactly the black-ops boogeyman the Times wants us to imagine.

Then again, BlackRock is also publicly traded, and that sketchy outfit oozes enough globalist megacorp energy to keep the tinfoil trade booming. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in between the talking points.

Palantir was co-founded by conservative mega-donor Peter Thiel, who once pledged to destroy the same media companies now raising the alarm. But on the other hand, Palantir’s CEO, Alex Karp, recently bragged in an interview that some of the company’s software “single-handedly stopped the rise of the far-right in Europe.” Not too good.

Palantir’s executive ranks brim with Obama-era intelligence officials. And it spent the pandemic quietly managing CDC logistics under the Biden administration. So yeah— there are good reasons to raise a skeptical eyebrow. And the Times, always able to detect a whiff of tyranny the moment a Republican retakes the White House, was more than happy to fan the flames.

Let’s be blunt: what the media’s trying to torpedo isn’t “surveillance”—it’s DOGE. That is, Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency. Palantir’s project threatens the status quo—bureaucratic turf silos, operational redundancy, and sacred cows galore.

Here’s what’s actually happening: the administration is expanding Palantir’s existing contracts with several federal agencies —like DHS, HHS, ICE, the IRS, and possibly Social Security and Education— to implement ‘Foundry,’ a software platform designed to help integrate and analyze otherwise disconnected federal data.

Foundry isn’t spyware. It’s a relational database platform with a user interface, built to help agencies see the big picture— like connecting Treasury’s tax data with SSA’s death records, or flagging overlapping benefits across programs.

To be honest, everyone assumed the federal government was already cross-referencing agency information. The real scandal DOGE uncovered wasn’t “too much integration”— it was total dysfunction. Retirement records were buried in a literal mineshaft. IRS computers were unable to verify that refund recipients were alive. There were massive gaps in agency coordination. DOGE didn’t reveal 1984— it revealed 1954.

Let’s also be clear: Palantir isn’t collecting our data. It’s not deciding what to do with it. It’s a data processor, not a data controller or collector. The federal agencies define the rules, the sources, and the outputs, and the agencies provide the data.

Palantir was not hired to spy, but to clean house. The goal is to eliminate waste, fraud, abuse, and decades of bureaucratic fungus. The potential cause for concern —what is worth real scrutiny— is that once data is better organized, it’s easier to misuse. The same tools that catch duplicate payments or filter out ineligible recipients could, in theory, be used to profile dissenters, target political enemies, or perish the thought, supercharge immigration enforcement.

That’s why progressive critics are howling, frantically trying to gin up a conservative civil rights panic. They could care less about our privacy. What they really fear is that the invisible galleons —the ghost fleets of siloed bureaucratic control— might stop sailing. They are freaking out that the Spanish doubloons of federal spending will no longer flow quietly into their NGOs’ bank accounts under the banners of “social equity,” “outreach,” or “compliance infrastructure.”

The New York Times is not worried about surveillance. Don’t make me laugh. They’re worried about accountability.

To be clear, Congress has a critical role to play. It must ensure the right goals are being pursued —efficiency, transparency, fraud reduction— not mission creep, and that Americans’ privacy is protected at every stage. The problem isn’t that the already existing data is being better organized. The problem, and it’s not a small problem, would be if it’s abused. That’s where oversight, not hysteria, belongs.

In other words, even the Times’s headline —“Trump Taps Palantir to Compile Data on Americans”— is categorically false.

But at the same time, Palantir’s CEO grinned like a chimpanzee while boasting about influencing political outcomes abroad —by taking down conservative movements— which is definitely not reassuring. The modernization project is a must to help Trump finish what DOGE started—but so are transparency and congressional oversight. So, as I said, the Palantir story is both more and less than the hot takes suggest.
7   Eric Holder   2025 Jun 4, 11:29am  

I'm old enough to remember how NSA simply aggregating existing info of what phone number called what other number lead to mass apoplexy and declarations of the end of the world.
8   Patrick   2025 Jun 4, 12:18pm  

That really was an abuse of power by the NSA, a violation of the 4th amendment.

The government has no right to know what numbers you are calling or which are calling you, without a warrant.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
9   RWSGFY   2025 Jun 4, 12:38pm  

Patrick says


That really was an abuse of power by the NSA, a violation of the 4th amendment.

The government has no right to know what numbers you are calling or which are calling you, without a warrant.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.




But it has the right to know about all your accounts and transactions, your filings and documents, aggregate and cross-link them without a warrant? How one is different from another? The latter is even more intrusive and consequential than some phone numbers you call.
10   Fortwaye   2025 Jun 5, 6:19am  

Eric Holder says

I'm old enough to remember how NSA simply aggregating existing info of what phone number called what other number lead to mass apoplexy and declarations of the end of the world.


it did. they spy on all americans now and took next logical step. there’s always next step. nazi germany and communist ussr are great examples of those steps.
11   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 5, 7:40am  

Sustained DOGE cuts turned out to be actually bullshit, so not sure about this either.


12   RWSGFY   2025 Jun 5, 8:00am  

Fortwaye says

Eric Holder says


I'm old enough to remember how NSA simply aggregating existing info of what phone number called what other number lead to mass apoplexy and declarations of the end of the world.


it did. they spy on all americans now and took next logical step. there’s always next step. nazi germany and communist ussr are great examples of those steps.


But now the same people are pretzeling into "it's OK as long as they use it for good deeds". 👹
14   Patrick   2025 Jun 8, 7:03pm  

I think he makes too much of the Jewish founders, but Palantir is definitely a creepy company.

https://ashalogos.substack.com/p/palantir


Some suggest, in fact, that Elon’s efforts with ‘DOGE’ weren’t actually aimed at cost savings in the least, but rather a backdoor by which a massive amount of data and information might be accessed by this new behemoth5... allowing them to make demands of companies and organizations and institutions across the entire governmental structure—with Presidential authority backing their requests—and being able to subsequently feed this priceless data into Palantir and its broader, long-term operations.

Others suggest this latest Trump/Musk feud is pure theater, to effectively distract from this Palantir power grab, and shift the conversation. ...

Julian Assange seems to be one of that extremely rare breed that doesn’t just pose and posture as a courageous man speaking truth to power, but rather quietly does so, without a care for the praise or fanfare, willing to bear the burdens of the hell such stances might unleash.

Because Wikileaks releases put Palantir (and their natural allies) in such a bad light—in other words, because factual truths revealed caused the public to know their true character—they declared all-out war on Assange, flippantly making use of the dirtiest of tactics, and showing their true face in the process.



15   RWSGFY   2025 Jun 10, 4:08pm  

RWSGFY says


Fortwaye says


Eric Holder says


I'm old enough to remember how NSA simply aggregating existing info of what phone number called what other number lead to mass apoplexy and declarations of the end of the world.


it did. they spy on all americans now and took next logical step. there’s always next step. nazi germany and communist ussr are great examples of those steps.



But now the same people are pretzeling into "it's OK as long as they use it for good deeds". 👹




16   Patrick   2025 Jun 21, 4:33pm  

https://dailycaller.com/2025/06/21/palantir-alex-karp-maga-surveillance-nyt-steve-bannon/


‘Surveillance State’: NYT Report On Palantir Sparks Backlash From MAGA

Palantir Technologies became a new target for MAGA supporters when the New York Times (NYT) claimed the Trump administration intended to use the company to collect data on Americans. While Palantir staunchly denies the allegations, pro-Trump voices are urging the president to be wary of the tech giant.

The NYT’s report claims the Trump administration is using Palantir’s “Foundry” system — a data analytics program — to gather hundreds of data points on American citizens, citing anonymous government officials. ...

“To be very clear: Palantir is not building a master database, and Palantir is neither conducting nor enabling mass surveillance of American citizens,” Palantir stated Tuesday, asserting the NYT’s report is speculation “based on fundamental misunderstandings” of its software.

Nonetheless, MAGA acolytes are sparring over the company’s work with the Trump administration. “War Room” host Steve Bannon warned that Palantir’s pervasive work across the federal government amounted to a “surveillance state.” Others flagged Palantir’s past work stopping the “far-right” in Europe and its chief executive’s support of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris as potential areas of concern.

Palantir CEO Alex Karp tells CNBC that his company’s software “single-handedly” stopped the “far right” in Europe. pic.twitter.com/xOqj064beH
— Thomas Sowell Quotes (@ThomasSowell) June 4, 2025

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