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DeficitHawk says

Nomograph says

we are on track for our next Golden Age.

Buy Trump-coin and go to the dinners if you want to be part of the golden age.

The golden age is not for the rest of Americans. The promises were never meant to be fulfilled. They were just a way to enable an administration that runs without any principles to adjust policy on the whims of whomever buys into their crypto scam.

Still 1000 times better than the leftoid politbureau who wanted to put half of the country into concentration camps unless they took the forced clot shot bioweapon inoculation. Trump should have gone after each and every one complicit in this as they pose a much greater threat (not in 1-1 combat, but when in power) than any Iranian. Never ever such a lefotid marxist reign again!

Mell, i agree but not fully. i think at the end result is same. we still getting Digital IDs, government only growth with Republicans. not once they reduced it or its spending. jD vance and peter thiel connection to Palantir is Orwellian state.

what i see is pattern if whomever in power lies. democrats did for 4 years, now it’s republicans. at the end result is same. i don’t know where anything is heading. but its all by design by rich men north of richmond at the end.

mell says

Still 1000 times better than the leftoid politbureau who wanted to put half of the country into concentration camps unless they took the forced clot shot bioweapon inoculation

You mean the Vaccine that Trump fast-tracked? You will accept naked corruption, bribery, and random non-principled policy making just because the president (who initiated the vaccine development) will now coddle your tin foil hat anti-vaxxer tendencies?

Trump ran on anti immigration. Now any industry that bends Trumps ear gets an exemption.
Trump said hed replace income taxes with Tariffs, but that obviously wont happen, Any industry that has his ear gets an exemption. There is no principles to it.
Trump ran on ending Ukraine war... but he massively blundered by emboldening Putin with waffling and weakness, and now there will be no end to that war.
Trump has emboldened and supported Netanyahu to become aggressive, and now there will be no end to that conflict, and we may get drawn in deeper.
Trump promised to drain the swamp, but he has established the most egregious, obvious, naked bribery scheme with his Trump-coin business and associated 'policy-preview' dinners where Trump-coin owners are given the information to front-run the markets before disruptive policy announcements go out.

This is a meme-presidency with no principles. The corruption is not even hidden, it is normalized and celebrated. None of the promises were ever meant to be fulfilled. People who voted for him were duped.

Номограпх is back!

Geez, 5 mos and the naysayers are already calling the administration as a failure. 😞

DeficitHawk says

You mean the Vaccine that Trump fast-tracked?

So what? He didn't force mandate it like the leftoids, so this is a non sequitur

SharkyP says

calling the administration as a failure

I dont think the administration has failed in its objectives... I think its objectives are not what they said.

Enriching a small group of insiders who enrich Trump and Family by buying Trump-coin is the real objective.

Devaluing the USD so Trump doesn't have to pay back his real estate loans is a possible secondary objective.

Sheesh, I gotta pace myself.

Woke and WokeRight should just get together in the Democrat party.

I've lost track... am I Woke? or WokeRight?

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Oh, sign me up for both.

DeficitHawk says

I've lost track... am I Woke? or WokeRight?

If YOU are against endless, pointless, expensive Middle East wars that will cost massive funds, material and human life, especially when those wars are being fought for another nation, that makes you 'woke,' that is, according to the logic of the blind warmongers, aka, Neo-Con lap dogs for Israel.

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For the first time ever I’ll be voting straight Democrat in the midterms just to signal my absolute disgust with this administration’s betrayal
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RayAmerica says

If are against endless, pointless, expensive wars in both funds, material and human life, especially when those wars are being fought for another nation, that makes you 'woke,' that is, according to the logic of the blind warmongers, aka, Neo-Con lap dogs for Israel.

I am against behaving as an aggressor in wars. I am not against defending if attacked, or helping someone who was attacked by an aggressor.

I think countries should reasonably have the right to do their own thing, not attack their neighbors, and not be threatened with attack.

Iran is not innocent.. they are off stirring the pot with proxies. Some people think thats enough to label them as an aggressor. I do not feel threatened by Iran, and I think their aggression did not rise to that level, so I would prefer diplomatic approach.... Iran has reason to feel threatened by Israel... and US has emboldened that...

I think US is acting more on the aggressor side in this conflict and I want it to stop.

RayAmerica says

If YOU are against endless, pointless, expensive Middle East wars that will cost massive funds, material and human life, especially when those wars are being fought for another nation, that makes you 'woke,' that is, according to the logic of the blind warmongers, aka, Neo-Con lap dogs for Israel.

The way you guys talk, you'd think we were occupying Iran with multiple divisions already.

Peace through Strength != Endless Negotiations with no teeth

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

The way you guys talk, you'd think we were occupying Iran with multiple divisions already.

Peace through Strength != Endless Negotiations with no teeth

I remember how I felt when "W" was explaining why we needed to invade Iraq.

News FLASH: (according to Kulak)

George Washington was WOKE !!! (not sure if he is left or right but he was definitely WOKE)

“The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave.” “... steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.”

"Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests." - in part, George Washington's Farewell Address

@Nomograph

First, welcome back!

Second, let me see if I can use my own theoretical best practice of:

1. Restate opponent's point so that he agrees with it 100%.
2. Give areas of agreement.
3. State own point.
4. Clarify that I have no ill-will toward opponent.

1. So you say that Trump broke campaign promises to end wars, and that the right is overly distracted by sexual issues.
2. I agree that Trump did seem to say he would immediately end at least the war in Ukraine, but hasn't been able to. Did he promise to end the war in Gaza? I don't remember his saying that, but I agree with you that Israel has expanded Middle East aggression with US support, and that's bad. Israel is not America. I also do not approve of his bombing Iran.
3. My own points, which I repeat too much, are that:

a. Trump got elected primarily because the Democrats betrayed their former base so badly by promoting outsourcing to China and insourcing illegal labor, both of which are intended to please business owners at the expense of the working class. Trump is doing with the right thing with tariffs and deportations.
b. Trump is actually pretty good at foreign policy, while Biden was simply a corpse used as a puppet by the Neocons who hate Russia and love weapons contracts.
c. The elephant in the room remains the millions of deaths caused by the mRNA jabs.
d. The sexual issues were deliberately inflamed as a way of creating division which does not threaten corporate profits or Deep State control, but nonetheless must be opposed if we wish to reverse the demographic crisis, as well as on moral and humanitarian grounds.
e. Use of the US military should be Constitutionally limited to defense of US soil only, and never used to promote the interests of foreign countries like Israel or Saudi Arabia.

4. I've really got nothing against you or anyone who argues rationally and with good will.

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Sheesh, I gotta pace myself.

Woke and WokeRight should just get together in the Democrat party.

Please describe woke right. It looks like this will be a new term that will be used against those of us who want to hold Trump to the points he not only ran on but also why we voted for him.

Remember, no man is going to save you. Never trust a politician. Is he better than Biden? Yes, in some very important ways, he is but, I have to say, the uniparty knows what the fuck they are doing and what they are doing is fucking all of us. Over an over.

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

RayAmerica says

If YOU are against endless, pointless, expensive Middle East wars that will cost massive funds, material and human life, especially when those wars are being fought for another nation, that makes you 'woke,' that is, according to the logic of the blind warmongers, aka, Neo-Con lap dogs for Israel.

The way you guys talk, you'd think we were occupying Iran with multiple divisions already.

Peace through Strength != Endless Negotiations with no teeth

Peace through strength in this case would have meant rebuking Israel for their surprise bombing of Iran last week. Not joining in.

On realizing Israel killed half the negotiation team for Iran, Trump should have known Israel didn’t want an agreement or peace. They want regime change.

What “peace” begins with bombing by two countries (Israel and U.S.)? It’s provocation, and the well-oiled path to broader war.

China would have been an arbiter Iran could trust. But that’s too outside the box for Trump.

Trump should not have made so many promises which involve actions by other people; it's impossible to do.

Anyone in the real world knows this.

Saying he will "stop the fighting" is like saying "I will stop my friend from arguing with is wife." ; rosta ruck.

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

RayAmerica says

If YOU are against endless, pointless, expensive Middle East wars that will cost massive funds, material and human life, especially when those wars are being fought for another nation, that makes you 'woke,' that is, according to the logic of the blind warmongers, aka, Neo-Con lap dogs for Israel.

The way you guys talk, you'd think we were occupying Iran with multiple divisions already.

Peace through Strength != Endless Negotiations with no teeth

And what, exactly, was Iran supposed to be negotiating for? Every country logically wants nukes.

Patrick says

4. I've really got nothing against you or anyone who argues rationally and with good will.

But he's a proven troll, @Patrick.

it’s just opinions, we have to learn to disagree. it’s easier said than done.

even our shit government pays lip service to freedom of speech. people accepted it as a privilege and not a right, which is downhill to hell.

I think Nomograph is sincere, whereas a troll just tries to make others angry for his own entertainment, saying things he himself does not necessarily believe.

DeficitHawk says

Thanks, Carter, Biden, and Obama!

goofus says

Peace through strength in this case would have meant rebuking Israel for their surprise bombing of Iran last week. Not joining in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Trump give 60 days, not endless years of John Kerry shuttling, to negotiate?

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Peace through Strength !

War is Peace !

RayAmerica says

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Peace through Strength !

War is Peace !

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Just a few of the many, many times Trump said No Nukes For Iran on the 2024 Campaign Trail with date and A/V proof.



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1934779415256551623.html

I didn't vote for Charles Lindbergh
I didn't vote for Thomas Massie
I voted for Trump

No Nukes For Iran, Peace Through Strength, and No Stupid Wars (not no military action whatsoever which was never promised).

He's been saying it to 2011. It's disingenuous to assert anything else was promised.

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Si vis pacem, para bellum

"Beware of the military industrial complex ..." - President Dwight Eisenhower, Farewell Address to the nation.

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

goofus says

Peace through strength in this case would have meant rebuking Israel for their surprise bombing of Iran last week. Not joining in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Trump give 60 days, not endless years of John Kerry shuttling, to negotiate?

If failed negotiations end with bombing by a renegade proxy, who would enter into talks with this White House? Sends a very bad message.

Athenians to Delos, telling them they don't give a shit about neutrality, but to submit and join their fight:

"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Peloponnesian War 5:89

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_5

”I didn't vote for Charles Lindbergh
I didn't vote for Thomas Massie
I voted for Trump

No Nukes For Iran, Peace Through Strength, and No Stupid Wars (not no military action whatsoever which was never promised).

He's been saying it to 2011. It's disingenuous to assert anything else was promised.”

Iran doesn’t have nukes. 100 kg at 60% enrichment has alternate explanations. DNI acknowledged they’d suspended their weapons program, blah blah ad nauseam.

That’s the broken promise, that he took Mossad at their word regarding 2 more weeks, when they’ve been saying “weeks/months away” since the 90’s. Proof means more than yellow cake receipts from Nigeria, more than solemn assertions by Colin Powell. It means certainty before embarking on yet more adventurism.

goofus says

DNI acknowledged they’d suspended their weapons program,

She has already said she stands by the Presidents decision, and the snippet was that was making the rounds taken out of context.

Here is her WHOLE testimony, where she notes several reasons to be concerned:




Trump has been public record: No Nukes for Iran since at least 2011.

No Nukes for Iran, not "Iran doesn't INTEND to use them"

MolotovCocktail says

Is it as good as the 1000s precision missiles so accurate and deadly they can bypass AEGIS and hit every carrier and knock out every reinforced hangar in the Middle East?

Or the 1/3 of Tel Aviv is damaged or destroyed?

I love this guy.

Another one of Tuckers "Really Smart People"

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

goofus says

DNI acknowledged they’d suspended their weapons program,

She has already said she stands by the Presidents decision, and the snippet was that was making the rounds taken out of context.

Here is her WHOLE testimony, where she notes several reasons to be concerned:




Trump has been public record: No Nukes for Iran since at least 2011.

No Nukes for Iran, not "Iran doesn't INTEND to use them"

LOL I just transcribed the 2 minute testimony on another thread. Nothing was taken out of context. She said, and I quote, “The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and that Supreme leader Khameini has not authorized a weapons program that he had suspended in 2003. The IC continues to monitor closely if Tehran decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.“

Her x-comment did contradict the March testimony, however, in claiming “intelligence” about a bomb in “weeks to months.”

Ten guesses as to who provided that intelligence.