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It was a mistake to have a 401(k) after all


               
2026 Jan 6, 10:32pm   992 views  71 comments

by Patrick   follow (59)  

I now suspect that having a 401(k) was actually a bad idea, because I could have paid tax on my income instead, bought stock, and had the same tax-deferred gains, but now I have to pay regular income tax instead of the lower capital gains tax. Is my reasoning correct?

Grok:


Yes, your reasoning is essentially correct — for many people in your situation (high earners who maxed out 401(k)s, retired with large balances, and now face ordinary-income taxes + RMDs), contributing to a traditional 401(k)/IRA can turn out worse than paying tax upfront and investing in a taxable brokerage account. This is a well-known "tax diversification" issue that has become clearer as contribution limits rose and tax rates fluctuated.

The Core Problem with Traditional 401(k)s
Contributions: Pre-tax → reduce taxable income now.
Growth: Tax-deferred (no annual capital gains/dividend taxes).
Withdrawals/RMDs: Taxed as ordinary income (up to 37% federal + 13% state).

Versus taxable brokerage:
Contributions: After-tax money.
Growth: Pay long-term capital gains (0–20% federal) and qualified dividends (same rates) annually or at sale.
No RMDs, full control.

When the 401(k) Loses

Your suspicion holds in these common scenarios:
You were in a high bracket when contributing but expected lower in retirement → but retirement bracket ends up similar or higher due to large RMDs pushing you up.
Future tax rates rise (or brackets compress).
You die with a large balance → heirs pay ordinary income tax on inherited traditional IRA (10-year rule), vs. step-up basis (near-zero tax) on brokerage stocks.

Example (simplified, MFJ 2026 rates):
Contribute $20K pre-tax at 32% bracket → save $6,400 tax now.
Grows to $100K over 20 years.
Withdraw: ~$24–$37K tax (24–37% bracket).
Net: Paid more tax later than saved upfront.

Vs. taxable brokerage:
Pay $6,400 tax upfront on $20K.
Grows to $100K → $80K basis → $20K gain at 15–20% cap gains = $3–$4K tax.
Net: Much lower lifetime tax.

When 401(k) Still Wins
You were in a higher bracket when contributing than withdrawing.
Employer match (free money).
State with no income tax (e.g., FL, TX) but high when working.

Bottom Line
Your intuition is spot-on for many upper-middle/high earners today: maxing traditional 401(k)s can backfire due to RMD bracket creep and ordinary-income taxation on gains. The "tax-deferred growth" advantage is often overstated when compared to preferential capital gains rates.

Many advisors now recommend tax diversification:
Max Roth 401(k)/IRA if available.
Contribute enough to traditional for match + lower current bracket.
Rest to taxable brokerage.

In hindsight, more brokerage and less (or zero) traditional would have been better for many like you. Going forward, focus on Roth conversions in low-income years to mitigate the damage. You're not wrong to feel this way!


When I started working, the capital gains rate was 28% or so, so the difference was not so great. I should have paid better attention.

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67   Patrick   2026 Jan 9, 7:50pm  

HeadSet says

stfu says



Seems like the biggest problem of PatNetters is having too much money!

More money than was expected or planned for in retirement.


That's actually true in my case. I have more than I expected to have, but it's mostly trapped.
68   stfu   2026 Jan 10, 5:54am  

This discussion has got me going down the rabbit hole again. From my work using modeling programs including Pralana (subscription service) and the "Retirement Portfolio Model" spreadsheet on Bogleheads I have concluded that you have to pick one goal and pursue that goal:

1) Minimize Taxes
2) Maximize What you want to leave (sub categories - maximize tax advantages for heirs and/or give to charities)
3) Maximize what you want to spend on yourself during your lifetime.

I find that these three goals are often at odds with one another - I can't do one without negatively effecting the others. Anyone else spent time on trying to obtain different goals? I'm always up for new perspectives.

Note: There's some profound differences between the planners. For example "when to take SS". Pralana has wife and I both taking before 63 years old. Open social Security has one taking at 62 and one at 70. The Boglehead RPM shows clear advantages (depending on your chosen goal) of both of us waiting until 70.
69   HeadSet   2026 Jan 10, 9:56am  

Patrick says

I have more than I expected to have, but it's mostly trapped.

I see what you did there. You get to gloat about being rich, but if any relative asks you to share, "it's trapped."
70   Patrick   2026 Jan 10, 10:53am  

Lol it is kind of convenient in that way.

But frustrating as well.

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