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It was a mistake to have a 401(k) after all


               
2026 Jan 6, 10:32pm   1,264 views  79 comments

by Patrick   follow (59)  

I now suspect that having a 401(k) was actually a bad idea, because I could have paid tax on my income instead, bought stock, and had the same tax-deferred gains, but now I have to pay regular income tax instead of the lower capital gains tax. Is my reasoning correct?

Grok:


Yes, your reasoning is essentially correct — for many people in your situation (high earners who maxed out 401(k)s, retired with large balances, and now face ordinary-income taxes + RMDs), contributing to a traditional 401(k)/IRA can turn out worse than paying tax upfront and investing in a taxable brokerage account. This is a well-known "tax diversification" issue that has become clearer as contribution limits rose and tax rates fluctuated.

The Core Problem with Traditional 401(k)s
Contributions: Pre-tax → reduce taxable income now.
Growth: Tax-deferred (no annual capital gains/dividend taxes).
Withdrawals/RMDs: Taxed as ordinary income (up to 37% federal + 13% state).

Versus taxable brokerage:
Contributions: After-tax money.
Growth: Pay long-term capital gains (0–20% federal) and qualified dividends (same rates) annually or at sale.
No RMDs, full control.

When the 401(k) Loses

Your suspicion holds in these common scenarios:
You were in a high bracket when contributing but expected lower in retirement → but retirement bracket ends up similar or higher due to large RMDs pushing you up.
Future tax rates rise (or brackets compress).
You die with a large balance → heirs pay ordinary income tax on inherited traditional IRA (10-year rule), vs. step-up basis (near-zero tax) on brokerage stocks.

Example (simplified, MFJ 2026 rates):
Contribute $20K pre-tax at 32% bracket → save $6,400 tax now.
Grows to $100K over 20 years.
Withdraw: ~$24–$37K tax (24–37% bracket).
Net: Paid more tax later than saved upfront.

Vs. taxable brokerage:
Pay $6,400 tax upfront on $20K.
Grows to $100K → $80K basis → $20K gain at 15–20% cap gains = $3–$4K tax.
Net: Much lower lifetime tax.

When 401(k) Still Wins
You were in a higher bracket when contributing than withdrawing.
Employer match (free money).
State with no income tax (e.g., FL, TX) but high when working.

Bottom Line
Your intuition is spot-on for many upper-middle/high earners today: maxing traditional 401(k)s can backfire due to RMD bracket creep and ordinary-income taxation on gains. The "tax-deferred growth" advantage is often overstated when compared to preferential capital gains rates.

Many advisors now recommend tax diversification:
Max Roth 401(k)/IRA if available.
Contribute enough to traditional for match + lower current bracket.
Rest to taxable brokerage.

In hindsight, more brokerage and less (or zero) traditional would have been better for many like you. Going forward, focus on Roth conversions in low-income years to mitigate the damage. You're not wrong to feel this way!


When I started working, the capital gains rate was 28% or so, so the difference was not so great. I should have paid better attention.

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73   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2026 Jan 11, 12:33pm  

I think part of her point (or all? I was falling asleep watching it) was to not use part of the rollover to pay the taxes, so you maximize $ going into the tax shelter. But yeah, good to have cash.
74   clambo   2026 Jan 11, 12:53pm  

"Brevity is the soul of wit."
That girl takes too long.
75   Booger   2026 Jan 11, 1:59pm  

The problem with all those Roth conversion videos is that they are for poor people filling up their 12% federal tax bracket.
76   clambo   2026 Jan 11, 3:07pm  

Because my retirement investments are IRA, Roth IRA, a modest SEP-IRA, and a variable annuity, my actual net worth is largely in non-retirement accounts. IRA contribution limits previously were low ($2000) unlike today.

I think my first RMD from the IRAs will be about $20,000; so the tax owed won't be that bad.
The variable annuity doesn't have an RMD and of course my other accounts don't either.

I gave some money to a couple people and decided to just transfer some shares to them; they'll get stuck with the capital gains tax.
Boo hoo.
77   HeadSet   2026 Jan 11, 3:48pm  

clambo says

I gave some money to a couple people and decided to just transfer some shares to them; they'll get stuck with the capital gains tax.

Now that is interesting. Someone asks you for $10k and you give them $10k in Apple stocks you bought long ago, so they net far less than the $10k after paying the cap gains tax. Kinda like giving a $100 Series E Savings Bond that only cost you $50 and won't be worth $100 for years. Even funnier if they do not realize the situation until tax time.
78   GreaterNYCDude   2026 Jan 11, 6:23pm  

stfu says

3) Maximize what you want to spend on yourself during your lifetime.

It may sound selfish but this is most important for me. The only two things certain are death and taxes. I want to travel and enjoy whatever time I have between retirement and old age.

What's left, if anything is left, I'll probably give away to causes that matter to me and earmark enough for my kids that they can get a leg up, financially speaking.

I have a decade or two before I hang it up for good, so this is all academic. As I age, my perspective may change. But for now, I didn't work this hard to leave it to my kids. They can chart their own path.

The goal is to have a large enough nest egg to live off the interest / dividends and not touch the principal.
79   clambo   2026 Jan 12, 8:44am  

Headset, I gave them MSFT stock, I'm hanging onto my shares of AAPL for a while longer.

If the recipients of the shares hold them long enough, they'll make money at least.

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