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And think of all of the jobs out there sorting out loans, and restructuring the CDO's, etc, back into viable paperwork. There could be a massive need for paper pushing created by this mess... just read this post!
I believe, what the banks are doing with the government's assistance is called an unwinding.
And they're doing it slowly with periodic "good news / green shoots" articles so they can fool people into buying their worthless housing stock, paying fees and commissions and investing whatever capital they have through little baby steps. This allows the bank to foreclose on a house and buy the note. Then sell the house to some sap for 90% taking a 10% loss, but gaining 10% or more of capital infusion from the sale. Let the house and sap rot for a few years while the market continues to settle, then rinse/repeat. It's really quite brilliant, ethics aside, capital from taxpayers plus capital from home buyers and the bank plays middleman short-changing both sides and taking some off the top over multiple transactions all the way down.
As long as people keep buying in, and the decline in prices isn't too steep, the bank can ride the curve down and even make money doing it. Or at least control the hemorrhaging long enough to stay alive (with periodic cash infusions from tax payers). If they can stall long enough, the hope is that the bottom will rise up to support home values again.
But the entire process is dependent on people believing the bottom is in or nearly in and going out to buy a house.
C'mon everyone, go buy a house in San Francisco RIGHT NOW. According to these geniuses (or is it Genii?) property in San Francisco is 25% undervalued.
its a good time to buy, if you plan to live in the house. its not a good time to buy if you are an investor or flipper.
Maybe in 18 to 24 months....unless money is truly no object
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Hi All,
I got in touch with Patrick a few days ago via email, and he suggested that I post the contents (more or less) of my email here, in his forum, for people to read and discuss. This is a response to his request.
Most of the articles on this website seem to point in one direction: Unemployment to go up, demand to drop, foreclosures to rise, inventory to rise, prices to fall. To be fair, that could be considered the"bias", or the sole purpose of this website; to make the case for an ongoing, perhaps escalating, collapse in house prices. (I don't use the word "home", because I rent, and much to the chagrin of "the powers that be" trying to brainwash me, don't consider myself "homeless")
Coming back to the discussion about the basic conclusions this website seems to make. One can draw almost linear causal relationships between the various factors mentioned above. Not only that, since rising house prices were responsible for keeping most of the economy of this country afloat, we actually enter a vicious cycle. That can only mean a "crash" in house prices, not a "drop".
All of this seems right, except for one flaw. "Foreclosures to rise" forms a large part of the basis for the conclusion. But for foreclosures to rise, banks have to be willing to process foreclosures. With a suspension of mark-to-market rules, they no longer need to. If, as mortgage holders, you can't make payments, don't. Squat in your houses. You can't foreclose, and you can't short sell. This is also clear from the fact that, all of a sudden, all the toxic loans out there are no longer being considered a problem, even though we still have a whole barrage of resets about to hit us. The only reason they're not being considered a problem, is that they don't expect any of it to affect bank balance sheets. Banks are not expected to take much of a hit from potentially "at-risk" mortgages and mortgage backed assets.
When you have a bunch of dominoes lined up and one tips over, the simplest way to prevent the whole thing from collapsing is to remove a domino down the line. So from the Fed and Treasury's point of view, it only makes sense to think as follows: "If we don't process foreclosures, we don't have a spike in inventories. Banks, however, will want to get at least something out of the house, so they'll either want to short sell or foreclose. Well, suspending mark-to-market removes any need to do either of those." And by doing this, they've removed potentially the most "destructive"domino from the chain AND used accounting hand-waving to make banks look healthy again. It's actually quite brilliant, without getting into the ethics of it.
The housing inventory in San Diego has shrunk to 3 months. In a flash. Not only is it not an over-supplied market, they've actually turned it into a tight market. Banks have simply stopped processing foreclosures there. Indeed, as discussed, they have no incentive to.
I personally like the sentence Patrick used to summarize this process in his reply to me. He said, and I quote:
"If you get close to winning the game (buying a cheap house) they change the rules so that you lose (foreclosures are being stalled)."
There's definitely a sense of "conspiracy theorist" in this sentence, though I personally agree with it. I don't think agreeing with it is a necessary requirement for you and me seeing eye to eye. Because, whether deliberate or not, that's exactly what's happening.
We can all discuss how this will eventually fail, how the economy won't be able to grow and how we'll stagnate. I'll take any one of you up on the offer of having that discussion, with a pre-emptive warning that you won't gain much from talking to me since I'll only agree with you; wholeheartedly. And I find discussions with like-minded individuals eventually futile. But this message was meant for those of you waiting for the foreclosure spike to happen to drive home prices down. That is the one thing that WILL NOT be allowed to happen, to the extent that "they" can control it.
Best regards,
Rohan.
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