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Why trading up no longer works...


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2009 Oct 28, 12:53pm   17,116 views  46 comments

by EastCoastBubbleBoy   ➕follow (2)   ignore (0)  

Crunching numbers while watching the world series.

"Hypothetical" Math Question
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Q:
Lets say you are are in your late 20's or early 30's. You bought your first house, a starter home, for $200,000 back in January of 2002. You put 5% down ($10,000), and have a 30 year fixed mortgage at 6%. Now that the government is (in all likelihood) expanding the tax credit, you want to trade up. You have you eye on a few of the new $400,000 colonials that just got put in down the street from you, but you'd prefer to only spend about $380,000. The question is, can you afford to trade up?

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A:
Assuming nomral amortization, with no refinancing, your loan balance in May of 2010 will be just under $158,000. You can now sell your house for $300,000; after factoring in a 6% commision ($18k), you are left with $300k-18k-158k+6.5 = $124,000. You plan to use this money as the down payment for your next home.

Despite the fact that your income is more than it was in 2002, property taxes have gone up significantly, and a larger house means more property tax, not to mention more maintenance. Your old mortgage (EXCLUDING taxes) was almost $1140/month. After much number crunching, you feel you can afford a new mortgage payment of $1300, again, excluding taxes. You are able to get a new 30 year fixed loan at 5%. Assuming you put all your proceeds from the sale into your next home, how much more home can you buy?

Neglecting the tax credit, $366,200.

Certainly this is more than the $300,000 you are selling your current "starter" home for, but not nearly enough to get you into the $400k "trade-up" that you had wanted to purchase.

However, if you get an advance on the "new" tax credit ($6500) and add that to your down payment money, then you could now afford $372,700. Trading up may in fact be feasible, but you'd have to find an anxious seller to meet your price point, based on what you want.

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The point of this fictitious scenario is that I think there is a whole generation of people, most of whom are in their late 20's or early (maybe even mid) 30's that are now effectively, trapped. Even with the generous assumptions, plus the help of the government, their ability to trade up is limited. Certainly you can afford more than you could 7 years ago, but not enough to make trading up attractive enough to jump back into the market.

With no incentive to trade up, things will get worse before they get better, as short sales and/or foreclosures will continue to make disproportionally large percentage of the market.

Just my two cents.
Comments welcome, particularly from "trade-up" types.

#housing

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41   junkmail   2009 Nov 9, 9:16am  

Mby start a new thread? This is getting awfully medical. =)

42   crash-olah   2009 Nov 10, 3:49am  

input needed: (not my personal story)... bought 3/2 for 375,000 in 94579 this month, put between 5-10% down (maybe 3.5%) made too much money did not get tax credit (so sad, not good planning!!!- would have qualified if waited!), wants to move up within 5 years to lets say-dublin, san ramon, pleasanton, danville... prob to a 4/2 by then.. POSSIBLE?????

43   4X   2009 Nov 10, 4:14am  

crash-olah says

input needed: (not my personal story)… bought 3/2 for 375,000 in 94579 this month, put between 5-10% down (maybe 3.5%) made too much money did not get tax credit (so sad, not good planning!!!- would have qualified if waited!), wants to move up within 5 years to lets say-dublin, san ramon, pleasanton, danville… prob to a 4/2 by then.. POSSIBLE?????

This person should expect for this place to be worth 300K in the next 2 years and to stay in the home for the next 10 years. Congress wont be able to keep propping up home prices forever.

44   DD214   2022 Dec 15, 5:19am  

4X says

Congress wont be able to keep propping up home prices forever.

Fast forward to 2022 - go figure
45   Eric Holder   2022 Dec 15, 9:00am  

DD214 says

4X says


Congress wont be able to keep propping up home prices forever.

Fast forward to 2022 - go figure


Since 2009 prices went down, slightly up, slightly down, way up, and going down again.
46   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Dec 15, 9:20am  

I was not expecting rates to go as low as they did when I first posted this; nor stay low for so long.

Prices have been all over the map. It's regional to be sure, but I'll use my house as an example. Built in the 80's. Original owner sold in 2003 for $460k. I purchased in 2013 (forclosure) for $300k. This spring house a few doors down sold for $500k which was the top of the market. According to the county, FMV is only $440k.

Now that rates have shot back up, bubble 2.0 should burst... but we'll see what happens in due time. Dosent matter to me. This is my home.. not an investment vehicle.

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