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Coping with my Schadenfreude


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2006 Apr 12, 10:14am   15,504 views  268 comments

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Mr. Housing Bubble

WSJ article reports Flippers are getting a rough ass-pounding from the market.

Despite the current turmoil, some Floridians remain bullish, including Stuart Miller, the chief executive officer of Miami-based Lennar, one of the largest home builders in the U.S. But Mr. Morgan, the broker, says for him the market has slowed considerably. He wrote in an email late last week that "we went three days this week with not a single showing. That's incredible. I have 35 listings. We usually get 2-6 showings a day....I received more desperate calls from sellers than ever. One lady broke down into tears. Her husband bought two investment properties, and they are now going to lose their 'life savings' if they sell the homes in today's market."

I experience strong visceral feelings of pleasure and satisfaction.
(_pinky to corner of mouth, Dr. Evil style_ Woohahahahaha!!!)

Q: Does this make me a bad person?

Discuss, enjoy...
HARM

#housing

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255   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:23pm  

But high end property are held by rich people, who are as a group less stupid and better advised.

256   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:26pm  

Ha Ha,

Because a lot of people who bought in the last couple years are stretched very close to breaking point, anything going wrong could tip them into foreclosure and bring them into a hostile market.

On the demand side, we're rapidly running out of fools, and lending is getting more and more expensive.

257   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:28pm  

Returning,

I bet that would make a very nice group home for about 50 migrant workers.

258   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:32pm  

Unfortunately, Danville doesn't give me a big comparable set to work with, so this owner might just be greedy (though the rent would only cover half of PITI.)

259   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:35pm  

Returning,

If we ever get DinOR's thread on negotiations, you might be able to negotiate the owner down to $2,000 a month.

260   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:38pm  

What I really hate about MLS and MLS type services is that most of the realtors don't even bother to put up pictures to match their claims of views. You'd think, even for 1% commission on the sale, they can afford to do a set of glamour shots for the house.

261   astrid   2006 Apr 13, 3:42pm  

good night

262   Mike/a.k.a.Sage   2006 Apr 13, 3:54pm  

The US Treasury must rollover 1 trillion dollars of short term debt this year and 1 trillion next year.

This is because they took advantage of low interest rates in years past to finance the national debt with short term paper.

Because of this, bond yields will continue to rise for years to come; even if the fed stops raising interest rates. This means that mortgage interest rates will continue to rise as it becomes more and more difficult to float all that paper.

The debt service for the national debt will cause massive spending cuts or taxes to rise. Where will the money come from if taxes rise?

Here's a thought. Before Regan took office, corporations were paying 32% of all revenues collected. Today corporations contribute only 7%. Should corporate contributions be ratcheted back up to pay for the shortfall?

263   Different Sean   2006 Apr 13, 7:38pm  

nice castle in the czech republic...

etymological factoid: the term 'real estate' comes directly from 'royal estate', i.e. making lands owned by the crown available to you serfs to occupy under sufferance... e.g. the brazilian unit of currency is the 'real', which is the same as the 'royal' or 'crown' etc of other countries...

264   Different Sean   2006 Apr 13, 8:09pm  

Perhaps Australia has inefficient middlemen that mark up the prices of locally produced items.

they would have to be completely on the gouge, given that the wine has to pass through sydney to get overseas anyhow...

something on the news just now, there's a billion litres of unsold australian wine in storage just now, an extra 40,000 hectares were planted in the 90s partly in response to the 54c:$1 exchange rate, so now there's an oversupply. winemakers are offering $180 a tonne for grapes, which apparently is less than the cost of growing/picking...

anyone want to buy a billion litre wine lake cheap? we'll all be awash in booze...

265   Different Sean   2006 Apr 13, 8:12pm  

nomadtoons2 Says:
Ray,
Wow, at least you heard back from that guy. I’ve written to the Mayor of Alameda, several newspapers, and of course all the senators and the Govna’ a few times, and nobody except one of the newspapers got back to me, and the person who emailed me from the paper was doing so because he too was pissed that a newspaper editor can’t afford anything in town. I think most local politicians would rather just look the other way and stay out of it, which is probably wise because either stand they take will ultimatly put mud on their hands.

Ray W Says:
nomadtoons2;
I think most local politicians would rather just look the other way and stay out of it, which is probably wise because either stand they take will ultimatly put mud on their hands.

congratulation to ray w and nomadtoons(2) for making an effort and trying to engage politicians. i'm presently getting up the state 'Centre For Affordable Housing' whose director makes more than 100K and is supposed to be an incredibly capable wheeler/dealer, and they have built or brokered nothing in 3 years of existence.

266   Different Sean   2006 Apr 13, 8:14pm  

Jason Says:
There is not just one housing bubble, but two bubbles stacked on top of each other.

My God, a futurist article that's not about sabre-rattling and naming all the allies and enemies and mandating global supremacy... they're going soft...

267   Different Sean   2006 Apr 13, 8:28pm  

For starters, we have to recognize that the very reason capitalism exists is to have asset price increases.

i don't agree. capitalism is about accumulating capital to fund enterprise, which would be expected to be some form of production, including paying wages to workers working in the enterprise. so the idea that the assets in the form of plant 'need' to appreciate is specious. further, i would not count housing to be an acceptable transactable 'capitalistic asset class' in the first place, as it is primarily human shelter.

the idea that 'asset' prices should increase no doubt comes from the ubiquitous american sport and pasttime of trying to buy shares low and sell them high for a capital gain, with no regard for the actual productive value of the underlying company...

268   Different Sean   2006 Apr 13, 8:35pm  

p.s. I liked the cartoon on that article
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/2006/0112.pdf
with the christmas stockings - giant stockings for the 'charismatic CEOs', corporate profits and tax cuts for the rich, and wages and pensions down for ordinary workers, and still no decent universal health care - pure american unfettered market capitalism at work...

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