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I'm Too Tired To Think


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2006 May 10, 2:11am   27,730 views  272 comments

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I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to suitably follow up on the last thread posted by Randy.

I do not have the economic chops to try, so I won't even attempt to fake it.

Besides, after reading this blog for more than a year, my head is swimming in all the stats, facts and predictions everyone has made. I can't decide what direction to go to next, and I'm too tired to try. Is that bad?

Besides, if we can post 401 comments on the "Duh" thread, we can talk about anything, can't we?

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119   LILLL   2006 May 10, 1:58pm  

Fewlish
We bought Adelphia on its way dooowwwwnnn! :lol:

120   astrid   2006 May 10, 1:59pm  

Linda,

"I know you’ve been a fan of his as you’ve defended him from the start. You said that he probably wouldn’t act on such statements…(BTW…how do you know? Is he an old friend or something?)
I’m talking about for the integrity of the site to have someone throwing out random flamelike comments…"

You said I was fan. If you'd bothered to check the back history, you'd see I'm not. I do chat with him, just as many here did, and I disagreed with him much more often than I agreed with him. I did not defend him from the start, I merely said I think he should be censored as needed and not banned, that's a consistent position. He has not engaged in troll like behavior and he's been responsive to queries, I see no reason to ban.

You also called him a pedophile, even though I recall no statement that suggest he ever attempted such an act or would attempt such an act. Furthermore, GC has later called his earlier statements to be wrong and an attempt to provoke. I chose to take him at face value rather than accuse him of being a pedophile. It's hard to not draw lines between the dots and see that if I defend him and he is a pedophile (though how that's relevant on this blog and requires banning, I don't know), then I am enabling his (erased) pedophile behavior.

121   Randy H   2006 May 10, 2:00pm  

Fewlesh,

I made statements about holding a value-weighted diversified commodity portfolio which would necessarily be heavy in agriculture. I've talked a lot about ag as a macro thing, but my comments are really very long term in nature.

As for GM Crops; I'm incredibly bullish on the technology and its future economic potential. But again, it's a very long-term thing. Since there is both politics and education/misperception involved, not to mention cultural biases, it could take over a generation for the tech to really take hold. But, short of any mass population calamity like a pandemic killing off 1/3 of the world's population, GM agricultural technologies will happen. Even if disaster strikes, they may still happen due to climate change pressures.

The problem betting on it financially is that you could go broke before it pays off. This is again why I favor old-fashioned, boring, never make you a billionaire diversification.

122   requiem   2006 May 10, 2:01pm  

Aiyah, some trolls just last forever!

There are certain political sites that tend to disallow comments, or are swiftly efficient in their removal of those that don't "stay on message". Such rigid orthodoxy in the end tends to be harmful, as it acts as an evolutionary selector against creativity. Such a situation can be recognized in part by a large quantity of phrases similar to "but who would do such a thing" or "how does someone even thing of that".

As such groups tend to pride themselves on a certain moral superiority, it is amusing to note that removing the possibility of contemplating "sin" also removes the free will that is a necessary prerequisite for "sin" in all but a few dogmatic cases. A population unable to make moral decisions because of such limited cognitive ability should at best be called amoral. The moral population is one that is able to freely contemplate all actions, and then choose to act on them in accordance with an assumed moral framework.

For this reason, I tend to have a greater antipathy to posts that call for the removal of offensive material, subject to my own somewhat liberal standards. Also, as the material has in this case been elided from the record, is is often through such objecting posts that the initial offense is kept alive for an unmerited length of time.

123   Garth Farkley   2006 May 10, 2:01pm  

And a bit of unsolicited advice for the other resident lightning rod : brevity.

124   OO   2006 May 10, 2:02pm  

Fewlesh,

I think I had a share in pimping grains too:-) But I pimped BG a while back, and have already sold ADM.

125   FormerAptBroker   2006 May 10, 2:02pm  

SFWoman Says:

> I bought nice (white!) low flow toilets with a little button
> that you pull up on to flush. Everything goes down!

My Dad has a collection of over 100 “high” flow toilets under one of his apartments in San Mateo. He is not against saving water, but years ago my He noticed that he started to make a lot more calls to Roto Rooter on all the new buildings he bought with low flow toilets (it was about 1986 that CA required every toilet that was not low flow to be replaced prior to the sale of an apartment building). Since then my Dad has told fellow apartment investors that he will send his plumber down to install the new toilets for free if they let him keep the old toilets. Low flow toilets are fine in new buildings with new plumbing but for some of the 80 year old buildings my Dad owns in Burlingame and San Mateo you need a little more water to push all the “crap” through the old pipes aka “clogged arteries”…

> I despise those low flow showerheads though.

Over 20 years ago my Dad had a sales guy come by and give him a sample low flow showerhead called the “Nova 2.35” and tell him to try it at home to see how great it worked. These “Nova” shower heads worked so great that my Dad called the guy back and bought 200 of them. I don’t know if the company is around anymore but since my Dad still has at least 20 I don’t have to worry. I’ve had a couple that I move from apartment to apartment since it is a “low flow” showerhead that seems to have even more power than a “high flow” head (and I need a lot of flow since still fortunately have as much hair as I had 20 years ago)…

> I would consider a great showerhead with an on/off valve for times of drought.

Back when I was managing property in Berkeley 20 years ago we got a lot of sample shower heads with on off switches (the companies must have sent us all the samples figuring that they were a sure sell in Berkeley)…

I’m not the tallest guy in the world at 6’3” but have to bend down to get my hair wet in most showers. Can any architects comment why we don’t just put the average shower head a few inches taller than the average American male?

P.S. Every since SF Woman posted that she was a bridal model years ago I picture her looking like this (http://tinyurl.com/nkewy ) whenever I read her posts…

126   OO   2006 May 10, 2:06pm  

astrid, LILLL

calm down. CAT FIGHT is strictly illegal on this site (although I always fantasize of watching of in real life). So let's behave ourselves before Uncle Randy cracks the whip.

127   astrid   2006 May 10, 2:07pm  

Garth,

Sorry, I didn't want to be accused of cherrypicking.

128   OO   2006 May 10, 2:07pm  

fantasize about watching one, can't help mistyping when I am drooling...

129   Randy H   2006 May 10, 2:10pm  

astrid,

Thanks for the link. Not much to disagree with in that article. I especially like seeing someone finally point out that GM crops actually feed lots of people, something of a basic deficiency in much of Africa recently. I read a piece a few months ago which estimated the number of people killed per day in African nations that are essentially forced to avoid GM imports due to bilateral EU trade deals and the EU's insistence on prohibiting GMOs. I'll see if I can find it, and if it was really a valid conclusion (I just read it, didn't really check to see if it was a legit assertion).

130   LILLL   2006 May 10, 2:13pm  

Guys & Gals
Just to be clear.
I had dropped the pedophile topic
and had continued with the
Hitler
and then
suicide
comments.
The random
ramblings
were getting to me.
And others.
It is not my intention to keep these topics
alive.
It was my intention to put an
end
to them.
And him.
Never mind. :(

131   astrid   2006 May 10, 2:13pm  

Owneroccupier,

It's not a cat fight. It's just that I think Linda has been too quick to judge.

I'll be happy to move onto something else. - how does Whole Foods organic vegetables relate to the credit and housing bubbles? OR was Warren Buffet a polygamist?

132   LILLL   2006 May 10, 2:14pm  

I'm too tired to think.
Good night.

133   astrid   2006 May 10, 2:19pm  

Randy,

Yup. I'm amazed by the report of 30% gross profit. Whatever else WF may be, they've done an extremely effective job of marketing very overpriced Brussels Sprouts. I hope HBS is adding it to their case studies.

134   Garth Farkley   2006 May 10, 2:19pm  

Astrid,

Your posts are always delightful -- even when you're kicking my butt.

135   requiem   2006 May 10, 2:23pm  

WRT GM crops:
I've generally considered the famine problems in Africa to be of a political nature. That is, the necessary infrastructure for large agricultural production is essentially non-existent, and donated food is repurposed by various political powers.

I disagree with the EU on the potential dangers of GM foods, but do feel that it creates vulnerabilities to the food supply, mostly relating to monocultures and non-reproductive breeds.

136   tsusiat   2006 May 10, 2:34pm  

Fewlesh,

no doubt, Global Crossing was a most disappointing scam, to say the least...

137   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 3:27pm  

I think you have to be a bit careful with GM foods, because you are basically producing something that is almost tantamount to an untested drug. Other foodstuffs have effectively been tested over millennia for safety. Clearly, of course, a diet of nothing but fatty steak will probably kill you as well, but I advocate for caution in all genetically modified foods until they have been tested for a very long time.

e.g. the tryptophan problem where a GM bacteria was developed that produced many time more tryptophan than the natural bacteria. it also produced a tiny amount of a highly toxic amino acid that produced shocking lifelong immunity problems in people who took it, e.g. all the skin on their bodies is flaking off painfully forever. the company put the new tryptophan on the market without testing it, assuming it was chemically the same as the old stuff -- but testing of these things implies you would have to go through the whole gamut of animal trials, then Phase I-IV human trials, etc! will try to find a link to the story.

138   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 3:37pm  

This is good enough, but i've seen an analysis which names the offending amino acid:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303903.shtml

Further, giant multinationals like Monsanto (evil) are busily engineering non-reproducing seed stock so that you have to keep going back to them every year to purchase more seed. The logical outcome of that sort of biological control becomes like the 'corporation'-controlled world of Arnold Schwarzenegger in Total Recall -- or privatising and selling water to the locals in Bolivia in the present...

139   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 3:52pm  

i think GC is making jokes, but his blood sugar gets low from coding all night without drinking several cans of FULL SUGAR coke...

it could even be donny rumsfeld's aspartame at work ;)

140   Peter P   2006 May 10, 3:57pm  

We’ve had trolls in the past who went so far out of their way to derail threads...

This is why we have rail-less threads - impossible to derail. ;)

141   Girgl   2006 May 10, 4:19pm  

Owneroccupier Says:
Girgl,
when you experienced the German property bubble, were average German homebuyers heavily leveraged in their own personal finance?

Well, the issue was that rents were exceptionally high the years before the bubble popped, to the point where, in 1990, I was told by a landlord that we cannot afford to rent his so-so 2BR condo in a so-so area of Munich. I had just finished my master's degree and had started my first (decently paid) job. The rent would have been about 60% of my after-tax income. He was probably right, but we didn't have much choice.
After a while, we found something equally expensive where the landlord had no problem with our rent/income ratio.

Rents stayed high, but mortgage interest rates dropped below 7% in the early 90s, and house prices went up accordingly.

In 1994, the buzz about folks having moved up from one to two to three bedrom condos to a house just through the magic of appreciation was becoming louder and louder, and so we looked at buying. As luck would have it, our landlord wanted to sell the condo we were renting, and offered it to us first.
After doing a bit of research, we found that 1) we needed 33% down in order to qualify for a mortgage, 2) our parents and my employer would help us get there and 3) our PITI would only be about 10% more than the rent.
So we bought, right at the top.

Fun fact: the rent I'm charging my tenant today is only about 20% higher than what I paid myself in 1994 for the same condo.

To answer your question:
I don't think anybody was have been leveraged in Germany at all. Banks were and still are very conservative with their money over there. I don't think that zero down was ever an option, and 20% down was considered risky. Probably still is.

I was in Japan in 1990-1991, and based on my expereince, I never saw an average japanese as leveraged as an average American middle class. The Japanese companies were in deep doo doo for property flipping, but property flipping was very rare for an average Japanese family, the younger generation just couldn’t buy a home, Neg-am, No-money-down was unheard of. The most creative Japanese mortgage loan was 100 years in duration, and the 100-year mortgage deserved a lot more sound bytes than its true market share (No statistics, but I believe it to be below 10% of the total loan share). On top of this, Japanese are obsessive savers, they never let their annual savings rate get below 5%.

That’s why I think what we are about to experience in this property market will be quite unprecedented.

America is the land of opportunity.

142   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 4:23pm  

jeez, let's bowdlerise bap's post some more... selective editing!

143   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 4:52pm  

I thank some members. I wish to name no names for fear of inciting unhealthy feelings and karma.

D.S.,
That is a huge insult. I do not code for living, although I am a first-rate artist on operating systems, computer architecture, networks, computer vision, computer graphics, computer security. Coding is a blue-collar job. I write code when I feel like it and when I have some great ideas to demo to my directors and when I do not trust others to do it. To me, coding is of experimental nature. It's play. I leave engineering to others, although I have the capability of a first-rate engineer, actually better than the guys who wrote Windows and Linux. I am NOT kidding. You have to believe my words.

Let me repeat. I do not code for living. I am not a programmer. Get it??

144   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 4:58pm  

I think the New Yorker critic article about Whole Foods is quite a good one, it covers all, or most, of the bases quite fairly. however, rather than being a criticism of organics, it's more a criticism of creeping corporatisation and the PR machine. the 14x wage multiple limit of WF is about equal to the outer extreme of most australian companies tho, which shows a relativity -- the US is alone in regularly having wage multiples in the 100s, the rates are much lower in EU and elsewhere. maybe it's a case of 'all business corrupts, big business corrupts absolutely', although their stuff is still certified organic and they presumably don't dump toxic waste into the river at night. if their stuff is overpriced because of fat executive salaries, you would think that many enterprising small stores would be able to flourish by offering something similar at lower prices in the same street, and possible even commence a cheaper rival chain for purchasing power. interesting points about the 'externalities' of large-scale fertiliser-based agriculture too, i.e. toxic blue-green algae blooms etc... caught between a rock and a hard place. it's a very postmodern view of the situation - 9/10

145   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 5:01pm  

I can see certain members here make this place look like a prison. Bap33 certainly passes off as an incalcitrate inmate. Bap, this is a compliment.

146   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 5:03pm  

yeah, alright, GC. you're definitely showing some manic and other signs though. people are attempting to cut you some slack, but you're digging a deeper hole...

147   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 5:04pm  

D.S., what did I do wrong again?

148   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 5:34pm  

delete all of them, heh

i could equally well complain about astrid or randy, sqt. the fingerpointing goes round in a circle, and nobody appointed anyone grand arbitrator, although some people think they can just name names and start adjudicating out of the blue, or that their prejudices override the next guy's because they whinged first. there are plenty of of people being complained about, so why not show some courtesy yourself. this is just the nature of an open slather blog. GC doesn't seem to be aware he's making some unusual comments.

149   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 5:37pm  

Huh? Unusual comments? Which ones?

150   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 5:46pm  

Wait. Beside Randy H and SQT, who else has editorial power here?

151   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 5:49pm  

Back to serious topic: Housing.

SeattleDude said earlier today that he saw signs of slowdown here. But I beg to differ. I've been checking out nice neighborehoods in Capitol Hill and Green Lake. There are very few for-sale signs. The supply is very tight. It's possible that the RE market in the Seattle area may have another year or two of excellent growth.

152   GallopingCheetah   2006 May 10, 5:49pm  

SQT, Thanks.

153   Different Sean   2006 May 10, 5:57pm  

delete those too. and the previous 11 posts back to girgl. except GC's serious topic one and the WF review, it took a while to write. or as you like... :mrgreen:

anyone notice problems with the lack of a pvt messaging facility?

154   DinOR   2006 May 10, 10:50pm  

Randy H,

I suspected much of what I shared regarding re-negotiating fees would be review for you. Still, they merit repeating. We could all use a "pep talk" from time to time. Since all institutional clients tend to view all money managers as from the "same cut of cloth" they gloss over your track record and accomplishments and frame the debate as one over THE FEES! Since they figure long term we're all about the same anyway the way they make their money is by getting you to agree to come down on your fees. Frequently it is necessary to ask for a "bump" even though you're pretty sure you won't get it as a defensive measure to let them know that you won't be open to re-negotiating your fees downward any time soon.

Yes, I have spent countless hours "kissing the WRONG a$$! Just b/c the guy is part of the "executive group" doesn't mean he can push your proposal through. What's even worse is that even though you've swayed 5 of the 6 members one "no vote" can put you back to square one or even out of the running. Now, with the fullness of time I spend a lot less time smooching the WRONG hiney (thank God). Cordially thank them for their time then ask them if they will kindly steer you toward someone that CAN make a decision! I hate the way I love it, and I love the way I hate it. Not unlike yourself, it's "the evil that I know".

155   DinOR   2006 May 10, 10:59pm  

Garth Farkley,

From where I sit I can survey Blue Heron "fishing" in our creek, an assortment of Ducks, raccoons, chipmunks and more deer than you can shake a stick at! I can't say though that a Bald Eagle is a regular sighting. Cool "eagle cam"!

156   Garth Farkley   2006 May 10, 11:15pm  

DinOR,

It reminds me of a line from Field of Dreams:

"Is this Heaven?"

157   DinOR   2006 May 10, 11:23pm  

Garth,

Earlier this week I was driving back from yet another futile, unproductive and embarrassing sales appointment and there's this young hawk. We get a lot of them scouring the farm fields between Mt. Angel and Silverton. He's swooping and circling and then out of the blue he goes from doing about 70 mph to a dead stall in mid air and then with wings outstretched he decends at a rate that exceeds gravity, picks up a young garter snake! Why can't I be more like that?

158   astrid   2006 May 11, 12:00am  

SQT,

Can you remove my racist comment. I checked the backlogs and I didn't see a specifically racist comment from Bap33. I may have mentally confused him with Sunnyvale Renter.

Bap33,

I apologize. You're not shown to be a racist, you're just shown to hate everything to the left of you.

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