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You didn't lump him in... they were already lumped...someone else did last night.
You seem to have impeccable manners, in fact. :)
Controversy is good...differing opinions are good...
Trollish behavior undermines any valid discussions here.
DS is just very typical aussie. They are kind-hearted, very inquisitive, and sometimes a bit off the beaten path. I don't mind DS at all.
Actually I don't mind SJ_Jim for his racist comment either, because I would rather hear honest racist opinion online and understand why they think so than encountering PC facade off the line. As human beings, we cannot overcome our visual bias, and skin color is certainly something that forms a natural affiliation. SJ_Jim is kind of what-you-see-is-what-you-get type of person. Even if Bap33 comes off as borderline racist, I think I can understand his perspective, and I don't think his perspective necessarily applies to me particularly if we meet face to face.
As long as one is able to explain his position, remains open-minded to other alternatives, and be reasonable, he should be entitled to his own opinion. People who are pervert just fall into a different category.
Randy H
2006 May 11, 9:32am
What we need is a good Surfer-X thread to close off this one then. X is very handy with the Troll-B-Gone spray.
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This site can be like the movie' Crash '...Racism is a topic we all need to understand better...even if we find it in ourselves..
How does it relate to housing?
I'm sure it does...
Owneroccupier,
SJ_Jim is most certainly not a racist! You may have confused him with someone else.
LILLL,
I am never supportive of the approach to be hush hush about racism. If people feel the way they feel, let them speak, and then the group that is being discriminated against can have a better way of understanding it, and overcoming it through education or interaction rather than just shutting everyone up.
We as human beings draw generalization all the time, how can we not with other races and cultures? Some of the discrimination is targeted towards some rather backward and indeed inferior elements of a culture that is more often than not found in developing countries, eg. lack of hygiene. And most of the racism is based on lack of understanding, or lack of tolerance for a different set of environments which shaped these seemingly "odd" values.
I have dealt with some rednecks, and to be frank, I don't find them to be racist because their seeming racist comments are just a sign of ignorance. If you take the time to explain things to them, they become rather intrigued and understanding. The most racist type are actually those who have made up their mind about certain things *after extensive interaction* and there is absolutely no way you can do about how they judge a person.
After all, whether one likes it or not, we have to learn about how to live with different people, it's just not a choice.
Owner Occupier -
your comments on racism were very refreshing. As a caucasian who has lived in Asia, or Vancouver for that matter, I can assure you that the most likely aggregation of individuals is based on similar cultural experiences and institutions - when there is no common ground there, people fall back on religion, when there is no common ground there, people fall back on their own socio-economic origins, or skin colour.
This is why I can get along with a banana who might be shunned by his own ethnic peer group as a "Canadian", as opposed to an asian. I know some second generation immigrants, and while they are still in a transformative stage, they all joke and speak in Chinglish, too.
Even though facial features are different, the facial expressions of the banana and myself are understandable to each other. Not so the facial expressions of the FOB Beijing immigrant and myself - maybe because the banana is thinking in english, quite possibly, while his ehtnic compatriot is still thinking in Mandarin.
That's why in America, you could have "racism" as an issue, while in Ireland, it would be all be about religion and cultural affiliation, even though ethnically, the differences between the groups in question visually would be too subtle for most "whites" to understand.
There is some pretty convincing research showing that the whole concept of "black" and "white" is completely artificial anyway.
My grandfather certainly knew the difference between the "blacK" irish and the orange. He was completely racist about it, even in his 90s.
Could a typical american pick that out in a line-up? I doubt it.
In an attempt to rerail the thread, has anyone yet tried plugging "housing bubble" into Google Trends?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=housing+bubble&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all
(Thinking idle thoughts towards how this might be applied to other commodities, in terms of where the "dumb money" is going.)
This is pure manipulation. You think you can mind control others? Fucking puke. Go and live your sissy midde-class life.
Hmmm, how would your corporate masters feel about your profane comments?
What was that address to send complaints? Shouldn't be so abusive whilst posting from Bill's house.
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SP,
Sticks and stone are for WW5. WW4 will be fought with knives and arrows.
Whatever is in your kitchen drawer. Get a shovel too. My old history teacher said it is very good for fast decapitations.
Bap33,
I'm a self identified liberal, though I disagree with the Democratic party on many things. You say you hate liberals and have said a lot of ad hominem stuff about how awful liberals are. It's hard not to take offense after the 100th time of reading the stuff, it is also frustrating that you're unwilling to contemplate evidence of the Bush administration's failure to deliver for hard working people like you. If I've misjudged you, I apologize and I hope we can speak on more convivial terms.
I assume you come here to blow off some steam, however, keep in mind that your words are in fact quite hurtful and offensive to many who blog and lurk here. You really shouldn't be surprised that there could be reactions to your blowing off steam statements.
Please note that I have occasionally agreed with you in the past and have had my mind changed by your arguments at least once. I'm not close minded or certain that I'm right, but I'm much better persuaded by fact based arguments. The thing is, if you're willing to speak to me as a person, then I'm more than happy to speak to you as a person. Constructive discussions and respectful disagreements are much more likely to breed respect.
And I'm not a guy, unless I am indeed a gay man trapped in a female body.
Bap33,
Anyways, truce. I'm touched by your chivalry and you're right, there is much more to life than the web (though my life right now doesn't really feel like it).
I guess my interest in knives and economics threw you off :)
" Uh, so how bout those White Sox heh? "
Whadda yiz wanna know about em?
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I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to suitably follow up on the last thread posted by Randy.
I do not have the economic chops to try, so I won't even attempt to fake it.
Besides, after reading this blog for more than a year, my head is swimming in all the stats, facts and predictions everyone has made. I can't decide what direction to go to next, and I'm too tired to try. Is that bad?
Besides, if we can post 401 comments on the "Duh" thread, we can talk about anything, can't we?