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Crime and Punishment


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2006 Aug 31, 3:23pm   15,700 views  118 comments

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The housing bubble has encouraged behaviour in some market participants that can be considered immoral, or that is already illegal.

Which acts are illegal today and are appropriately prosecuted, which are illegal and are mostly slipping through the cracks?
What should be illegal, but is currently not?
How could laws look that address the issue, but minimize unintended side effects?

What punishment seems appropriate?

"Without cruelty there is no festival: thus the longest and most ancient part of human history teaches--and in punishment there is so much that is festive!" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

#housing

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112   Peter P   2006 Sep 2, 4:35pm  

I am finally in Santa Barbara. Looks like I missed some troll actions, never mind.

113   skibum   2006 Sep 3, 12:53am  

This report from Saturday's WSJ might entertain Fake P and others for the holiday weekend: David Lereah is now predicting a national YoY decline in home prices! My, how his tune has changed!

Realtors Official Forecasts Decline In Home Prices

By JAMES R. HAGERTY
September 2, 2006; Page A2

The chief economist of the National Association of Realtors predicts that U.S. home prices will generally decline during the next few months.

The unusually bleak assessment from David Lereah, the trade group's top economist, came as the Realtors reported that their index of pending home sales dropped 7% in July. The decline shows that home shoppers continue to take their time, hoping prices will fall amid a glut of houses on the market in many parts of the country.

"I'm hoping for prices to drop," Mr. Lereah said in an interview. The Realtors normally stress the tendency of home prices to rise over the long term. But Mr. Lereah said lower prices are needed in some parts of the U.S. to lure buyers back into the market. During the past year, sales have plunged in California, southern Florida and the Washington, D.C., area, all places where prices more than doubled in the first half of this decade.

Sales have stalled partly because "the sellers are not bringing prices down fast enough," Mr. Lereah said. "They've been very stubborn." A drop of 5% to 10% in California and southern Florida "probably would be enough to bring sales back," he said.

For July, the Realtors reported that the national median home price was up 0.9% from a year earlier. But Mr. Lereah said he expects the national median to decline modestly in the next few months. That would mark the first decline since 1993. "The quicker we can get negative prices, the quicker we can get sales coming back," Mr. Lereah said.

Thomas Lawler, a housing economist in Vienna, Va., said the national median home price in this year's fourth quarter is likely to be down 3% to 4% from a year earlier.

In recent months, median prices in some areas -- including San Diego, Boston, the Virginia suburbs of Washington and parts of Florida -- already have fallen from year-earlier levels.

The pending-sales index, which equates the average pending-sales rate of 2001 to 100, registered 105.6 in July. The latest reading was down 7% from June and 16% from July 2005. The index, based on signed contracts for home sales that haven't yet been completed, has fallen nearly 18% since hitting a peak of 128.2 in August 2005.

By region, the July index was down 20% from a year earlier in the West and Midwest, 16% in the Northeast and 11% in the South.

On Wednesday, the Mortgage Bankers Association reported that its seasonally adjusted index of applications for home-purchase mortgages declined 1.6% in the week ended Aug. 25. That index -- a measure of demand for homes -- is down about 20% from a year ago.

114   DinOR   2006 Sep 3, 4:33am  

Can someone please find the link to the article about the gal that went "undercover" to get the dirt on RE bubble UK style? She basically was glad to get out with her life!

High pressure sales tactics, bidding against non-existent co-bidders, cooked appraisals and funky lending are part and parcel with RE in bonnie ole' England! Perhaps it was SFWoman that revealed just how prices continue to escalate there?

If these are the caliber of straws perma bulls are clutching for, good luck.

Other than a handful of global observations we here at patrick.net stick to our knitting. But if it helps trolls/RE perma bulls feel better to parade these far flung and frankly meaningless articles more power to ya. If you're feeling that bullish pull even more equity out of your overpriced sh@tbox and speculate on a global basis.

115   Peter P   2006 Sep 3, 4:50am  

MarinaPrime, is that you. Long time no see! :)

116   DinOR   2006 Sep 3, 4:56am  

The Oregonian: Wednesday, August 16, 2006

Housing Market Loses its Boom:

Lower sales prices and higher inventory signal cooler times for Portland listings.

The Portland-area housing market has decisively cooled, resulting in a July median home price decline that bucks the-year trend of relentlessly rising values.

"The new market realities have frustrated sellers, such as Reid Biggs and his wife, Linda, who are hoping to sell their Hawthorne area bungalow and downsize to a floating home. Biggs said he spent $150,000 on second-floor rennovations six years ago and is annoyed with cosmetic fixes sold for more than $500,000 in last years overheated housing market".

Can you say; missed the f@cking boat pal?

Got it broke off right in the guh-zingus. (Sideways).

Best of luck getting over to that fully paid for floating home (which btw pay no taxes in OR) pal. I may have walked away from some upside selling on the last day of 2003 but this guys is now b@lls deep and NOW he's thinking about "using some protection"? Good luck with that Mr. Biggs as we now head into the doldrums for the Oregon market. They usually don't pick up again until at least March at which point Reid and Linda can look forward to Robert Cote's "Silent Spring" (the sequel).

People like this are helping us to re-define the term flipper.

Got equity?

Flip or re-fi!

117   astrid   2006 Sep 3, 5:11am  

SP,

If I was at the party I'd pretend to be sorry for her and ask her about her job search plans. Then she would give a blank stare and I'd explain that less supply (or less demand) means fewer listings for her to pocket.

118   Peter P   2006 Sep 3, 5:21am  

New thread: How to survive boredom?

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