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We just bought a house!


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2006 Oct 14, 2:43pm   6,254 views  61 comments

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I was going to write some long involved post here but I figure the title goes a long way in showing where opinions on this board rank in my day to day life. We bought a house and I've finally decided to do what I want on my terms rather than live in perpetual fear of a housing failure, global economic collapse, oil shock, evil republicans, or whatever else becomes the flavor of the week here. All I can say is that I can't believe I let this never ending circle jerk about a housing failure convince me to stay out of the market for over a year and at one point consider leaving what is probably one of the greatest areas of the country.

Now I'm to enjoy my new home with my family.....cheers!

/akr/

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41   Paul189   2006 Oct 15, 12:43pm  

can someone check IPs and ISPs etc?

42   astrid   2006 Oct 15, 5:08pm  

If this akr's story is legit, then I too feel sorry for him and I'm saddened by how little he learnt from this site. He and his family are buying a home they cannot truly afford. They will see their savings and living standards suffer for many years compared to renters with similar income and family structure.

And akr better hope that his job position is permanent and smooth financial sailing for the next ten years. He's placed himself in a very precarious financial situation and will have a much harder time staying afloat than if he had been a JBR.

43   SP   2006 Oct 15, 5:56pm  

astrid Says:
If this akr’s story is legit, then I too feel sorry for him

Don't bother. If the story is true, then this guy is a GF who has bought into the notion that he is 'living life on his own terms' - by taking out a suicide loan to buy a depreciating asset at the peak of a market cycle. The separation of a fool and his money is predestined, and is not a cause for concern.

Posting here to 'prove' his maverick-hood, is nothing more than whistling past the cemetery.

SP

44   Peter P   2006 Oct 16, 3:26am  

If this akr’s story is legit, then I too feel sorry for him and I’m saddened by how little he learnt from this site.

This guy gets to enjoy his home. If he is comfortable about the purchase, there is nothing wrong and nothing to be sorry for.

I feel sorry for vegetarians.

45   Peter P   2006 Oct 16, 3:31am  

All else being equal, a 40 yr is a better deal than a 30 yr at the same rate.

If it does not have prepayment penalties.

46   Peter P   2006 Oct 16, 3:36am  

Huh?

47   skibum   2006 Oct 16, 3:38am  

Who added the graphic? Excellent work.

48   HARM   2006 Oct 16, 3:46am  

Whatever happens happens. i’ve just chosen to live my life by a certain set of rules and feel that i’ve compromised myself by listening to those who, in my view, have an irrational fear of losing everything.

Yes, terrible the way the data-driven views expressed on this blog have so horribly warped your vision to the extent that you waited a WHOLE YEAR before realizing your dream of lifelong debtorship, using a 10/40-year I/O lead anchor. If you had taken the leap last year, you could easily have paid an additional 15-20% more than today. Who are WE to caution you against strapping those weights to yourself and jumping overboard.

Such hubris... I am truly ashamed for my lack of "vision" and impulse. I always insist that economic fundamentals justify price and make sure the purchase "pencils out" for my budget before leaping. I am constitutionally averse to accepting soul-crushing debtloads on a whim, without some form of risk-reward calculations. Clearly, I am mentally defective and am gripped by irrational fear. The fact that buying now may saddle me with an illiquid albatross near the peak of an enormous bubble is irrelevant.

Thank, you for setting me straight, "akr" (twin of Face Reality?)

Btw, thread graphic courtsey HARM-X Industries, Ltd.

49   HARM   2006 Oct 16, 3:55am  

@jose,

Huh?

50   HARM   2006 Oct 16, 3:58am  

Long CD and short MBS, anyone?

H.Z., some months back we have several threads on arbitraging & hedging against the bubble (RE-proof 'safe' investments, shorting, ETFs, futures, options, etc.). I don't have all the links handy, but if you peruse the archives (pre-April 06), you might find some useful information.

51   skibum   2006 Oct 16, 4:07am  

@jose,

Thanks for your "clever" commentary on the how renters are REALLY dumb. We get it. Let's move on.

52   Peter P   2006 Oct 16, 4:15am  

Low cost shorting for individual investors is the hard part.

Are there MBS ETFs?

53   Peter P   2006 Oct 16, 4:27am  

Suppose there are, but can you invest the short proceeeds without paying margin interest?

I think it depends on the broker. 2x margin is probably not enough on the short side anyway.

54   FRIFY   2006 Oct 16, 4:28am  

@jose,

Your crushing satirical piece on the mindset of a renter has pushed me over the edge. My sense of my own manhood is so threatened that I'm now girding my loins to sign on to a 10/40 for a condo lest I be considered dumb. Thank you for your clever ad hominen argument. It deftly and elegantly counters the over-reasoned economic arguments presented here that favor of renting. Why think rationally when steely resolve and courage are all that's needed to make million$ in real estate?

Here's my wallet, RE agent. Sign me up, devil the cost.

55   Randy H   2006 Oct 16, 5:16am  

With a fixed return of 6.5% wouldn't there be a significant opportunity cost exposure to interest rates? At some point you would be better off not taking on the debt to CD purchases and instead investing the alternative cash flows derived from not paying on the debt at a much higher return. I don't think this is a pure arb. And it's definitely not worth the complications for anyone with less than a couple million to plow into the game.

56   Randy H   2006 Oct 16, 5:31am  

HZ

I understand. So it is a pure arb excepting t. And the t risk is purely a variable -v- fixed risk, so it could be plugged with an additional hedge.

57   Peter P   2006 Oct 16, 9:25am  

Say one borrows 400K at 5.8 and buys CDs at 6.5 resulting in about 2800 a year in free money, minus tax complications.

I wonder what is the after-tax rate differential though.

For those who cannot maximize mortgage interest rate deduction, this does not worth it at all.

Moreover, taking a HELOC to buy securities (CDs) may not be deductible under AMT.

58   Jimbo   2006 Oct 16, 9:57am  

t is not really that big a risk, because if the ARM goes up, you can always cash the CDs early and pay off the loan that way.

You are risking losing some of your gain though.

59   Jimbo   2006 Oct 16, 9:59am  

Doh, didn't mean to post my name on that. Can you change me back to "Jimbo" on that post before Google grabs it?

I am not trying to hide or anything, but I try to keep my name off of Google, especially when posting something controversial. You never know when a future employer might go searching for something...

60   salk   2006 Oct 16, 11:14pm  

cd's are callable? Has this ever happened? I dont understand.

61   lunarpark   2006 Oct 17, 3:46am  

DataQuick "Bay Area Home Prices Decline"

http://www.dqnews.com/RRBay1006.shtm

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