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Double dip...here it comes !!!


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2010 Jun 4, 8:53am   10,349 views  55 comments

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Yeah Baby !! ..Laws of economics are unavoidable...Cannot print your way out of it.

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52   B.A.C.A.H.   2010 Jun 9, 1:04pm  

Truman did not end the New Deal, he tried to augment it with something he called the Fair Deal.

Ptipking must've learnt his US History from Sarah Palin or at some Tea Party event.

53   Â¥   2010 Jun 9, 1:20pm  

shrekgrinch says

One was labor union legislation. After the war, the laws were changed to provide more balance to between business and unions. Also, a lot of the ‘alphabet soup’ New Deal agencies/programs were dismantled.

Taft-Hartley was passed over Truman's veto. Truman's Fair Deal was an expansion on the New Deal. The rising prosperity of the country (and concomitant appearance of inflation) diluted Truman's ability to force Big Government interventionism on the people.

Congress did establish the Hoover Commission blue-ribbon panel to review existing gov't organization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission but there was a great degree of continuity between the FDR and Truman administrations. And AFAIK Eisenhower himself also accepted much of the surviving New Deal superstructure, though his administration was rather opposed to any expansion of it, other than the Federal highway spending initiative.

54   MarkInSF   2010 Jun 9, 2:16pm  

shrekgrinch says

The only real money is M0

That's the classical way of looking at it. Money multipliers and all that. It's not really true though when nobody want's it.

Treasury bills? Deposits with the Fed or Cash (m0)? They are almost same thing to the banking system at this point, and no particular preference for which to hold, and nobody is interested in borrowing excess reserves. They're just safe marks on it's balance sheet earning about 0% interest. That's what it means to be at the zero bound. Demand for "real money" has gone infinitely elastic. And now it applies not just to treasury debt, it applies to GSE debt too since it's backed by the government. The distinction between real base money and much of the universe of credit money has become blurry. The concept of base money kind of made since when gold/silver was "real money", but it doesn't much any more. Even Federal reserve notes are backed by debt, just like your account at your bank.

I agree though that m0, m1, m3, mzm, etc. just confuses things. It's all just counting of some subset of liabilities in the financial system.

Ptipking222 says

MarkinSF, if tax rate are that high, people simply stop paying the tax. They somehow avoid it legally or illegally. You can’t seriously expect someone to work or take risk when they only get 20% of any positive return on the money.

Yes I can. Based on the historical fact that people did work and take risk (economic growth was very robust), I seriously can expect someone to work or take risk when top tax rates are high. But I was not advocating or defending those high rates. I was just pointing out they are historical facts.

55   Â¥   2010 Jun 10, 9:23am  

Ptipking222 says

i.e. taking more risk

assertion not in evidence

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