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Don't Panic!


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2007 Feb 7, 10:35am   22,727 views  277 comments

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Inspired by Rainman18 (from Ben Jones' blog):

Expect real estate prices to decline in the coming year
Redlandsdailyfacts.com
posted 02/06/2007

Attention everyone:
"When put into perspective of a 10-year pattern, the downturn should have been expected based on the huge run up since 2002."

"...No reason to panic if you purchased your home for the quiet peaceful enjoyment of it" (vs. appreciation)

"Only the speculators and flippers ...are in any trouble at all."

"...and the last ones that purchased in 2005-2006..."

"The rest of us just need to continue to enjoy our homes, unless we were using it as an automatic teller machine."

Crickets: (Chirp chirp, Chirp chirp...)

#housing

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201   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:23am  

May ANS rest in peace.

202   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 7:24am  

Well, I was basing my opinion based on what happened to her son. But perhaps it's always bad.

(I personally don't think so in this case, as long as responsible guardians are appointed for her daughter. ANS died before the kid was one. Plus, ANS is a trouble magnet. Without such a mother, the daughter might have hopes of leading a relatively normal life)

203   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 7:26am  

Well, you're all entitled to your opinions. Keep in mind that I didn't say anything bad about ANS other than my own opinion that the daughter is better off without her. I think I have substantial reasons, based on facts known to me, to think this is so.

204   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:27am  

Astrid, we know you, don't worry. ;)

Though you are welcomed to make fun of my eventual demise, which is going to happen sometime within the next 100 years.

205   Claire   2007 Feb 8, 7:28am  

With this 0% capital gains - could not someone theorectically take a long unpaid sabatical in one year to get their salary in the bottom bracket?

Am I missing something?

206   MtViewRenter   2007 Feb 8, 7:29am  

What about newly retired boomers?

It's always possible. But won't SSI for most boomers be around 25k a year?

The death tax is also eliminated for the year 2010. It'd be interesting to see if there are any correlation between it and death rates among the wealthy.

207   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:31am  

It’s always possible. But won’t SSI for most boomers be around 25k a year?

After deducting state tax and mortgage interests?

208   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 7:32am  

Peter P,

If you died, I would miss you a great deal. I have nothing but good to say about you. However, if you insisted on a mausoleum with a 500 sq. ft. bathroom...then I'd make fun of you, a little.

209   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:35am  

However, if you insisted on a mausoleum with a 500 sq. ft. bathroom…then I’d make fun of you, a little.

How about 400 sq. ft. But with marble?

210   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 7:39am  

Only while you're still alive.

211   MtViewRenter   2007 Feb 8, 7:43am  

After deducting state tax and mortgage interests?

Hmm, good point. Also, with a married couple, the income limits for those brackets double. Hold on to your stocks & your house! (unless Congress changes its mind)

NIA, NTA

212   SFWoman   2007 Feb 8, 7:47am  

What is the $$ amount that the 'death tax' kicks in at now? It doesn't really tax your death, unless you have a decent estate, I find that such an odd name for it.

213   lunarpark   2007 Feb 8, 7:49am  

I just received this email from ZipRealty:

Opportunity to buy in an awesome location in Sunnyvale. Only 3 left, offering a 10K financing incentive package for 2 of them. Also get a $ 6500 plus rebate from me.delivery 4-5 months. price 670K to 730K.
PLEASE CALL/EMAIL ME ASAP TO SEE THE FINAL UNITS.
----
Why do I need an incentive if these are the last units? Won't someone just snap them up? Also, what location is awesome in Sunnyvale? I cannot think of any.

214   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 8, 7:51am  

SP : ditto to everything. I was shocked too.

Astrid : This is a free country. You can say whatever you want. But the parent-child relationship is very special. To casually say that it's more good for the child to lose the parent, just because you are free to come to your conclusions, is horrible. Unless you know and can show how her being alive was harming the child, don't hide behind the right of free speech.

215   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:52am  

Also, what location is awesome in Sunnyvale? I cannot think of any.

Better than an "awesome" location in East Palo Alto.

The only possible place in EPA I like is the Four Seasons hotel.

216   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 8, 7:53am  

Also, what location is awesome in Sunnyvale?

Entire BA is awesome. Peter P said that every place is special.

217   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:53am  

Perhaps "awesome" as in Shock and Awe.

218   lunarpark   2007 Feb 8, 7:56am  

The Four Seasons in EPA is quite nice.

219   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 7:57am  

The Four Seasons in EPA is quite nice.

I recommend the warm seafood salad there. Service at the restaurant is superb at times.

220   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 7:58am  

StuckinBA,

First of all, this is hardly a freedom of speech issue at all, but one of social nicety. If most people here had declared me so repugnant as to boot me out, that's your perogative. Freedom of speech is not applicable to small privately runned websites.

In any case, I have no problem that you think, on this one point, that I hold a repugnant view. I'm not big on this particular brand of social nicety. And I think very very poorly of people with bad parenting skill.

221   e   2007 Feb 8, 8:00am  

Also, what location is awesome in Sunnyvale?

Why, the part next to Cupertino - of course!

222   lunarpark   2007 Feb 8, 8:00am  

"Do these guys think they’re selling to idiots?"

Yes.

223   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 8, 8:01am  

And I think very very poorly of people with bad parenting skill.

To the extent that you think the kids are better off with the parent dead ? Because they don't match your definition of good parenting skill ?

224   MtViewRenter   2007 Feb 8, 8:03am  

SFWoman,

Death tax is just the nickname. It's called the federal estate tax. Exemption limit is $2mm this year.

Link

225   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 8:07am  

SQT,

If her son was a decent kid and she made an effort to raise him properly, then I was wrong and I retract that statement. My impression was that she was a very unfit mother.

StuckinBA,

Because it is my opinion only! It would be different if I was a family court judge or child service person making a judgment that affects these people's lives. I see no reason to tone down my opinion simply because they may offend the sensibility of some, unless I deem that offense to be great enough to cause some sort of actual harm.

226   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 8:12am  

Increasingly, I’ve started to appreciate socialism, as in the European sense.

Socialism works only for countries with small population and large reserve of natural resources.

I think you are admiring the relative wealth of those countries.

227   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 8:15am  

BTW, I've repeated stated my own opinion about child raising. People can do whatever the heck they want to their own lives, but if they have a child, I think they owe that child at least 18 years of reasonable stability and loving care. That obligation, once undertaken, supersedes their own personal preferences.

I do think that a major reason why this society is screwed up is that many people don't think before undertaking this responsibility and are derelict in their duty as parents.

228   SFWoman   2007 Feb 8, 8:17am  

MtView,

Ah, I thought the amount to qualify for the estate tax was much higher, because such a small percentage of people end up qualifying to pay it.

I feel sorry for ANS's daughter. Who knows, maybe she died of flu, but I'd guess it was likely drugs or heart failure. Why didn't the people close to her do an intervention or something? Everytime I've seen the woman appear on anything she seemed to be a stupor.

229   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 8:18am  

I do think that a major reason why this society is screwed up is that many people don’t think before undertaking this responsibility and are derelict in their duty as parents.

I agree. But I am not ready to accuse any specific person of not being a good parent.

I am probably a bad parent myself. :(

230   EBGuy   2007 Feb 8, 8:18am  

What is the $$ amount that the ‘death tax’ kicks in at now? It doesn’t really tax your death, unless you have a decent estate, I find that such an odd name for it.

SFWoman,
Will your kids be surly teenagers in 2010? If so, I would look both ways before crossing the street -- I know FABs parents will :-)
Exemption limits revert to $1 million in 2011.

SQT said:
I think ANS biggest flaw was that she wasn’t terribly bright. Being beautiful and not-to-smart is a sure fire way to be taken advantage of.
Uhhhh.... she was a golddigger, and quite a good one I would say -- or am I missing something?

231   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 8:22am  

"Not that you need or want me on your side. Nor that there are sides. "

:-) It's more of an oval. ( I hope I didn't just offend the rhombus people)

232   Paul189   2007 Feb 8, 8:22am  

Anyone ever have to deal with having accounts at a bank or S&L that fails? How long until you get access to your FDIC insured balances? What if you have automatic bill pay? Do those bills get paid?

I've recently noticed that one of banks that I have accounts with (small balances but with the bill pay) is deteriorating rapidly. I'll be working to change this situation as quick as possible but I thought I'd ask the questions just in case I'm not quick enough.

Thanks,
Paul

233   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 8:24am  

SQT,

I felt bad for her when her son died too. I thought she was a terrible mother, but no one (including Saddam Hussein) deserves to have their child die before them.

234   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 8:26am  

Huh?

235   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 8:27am  

GC,

I think it's conventionally understood that men with neither a job or a bank account have other problems too, all of which make them less than desireable husbands.

236   FormerAptBroker   2007 Feb 8, 8:27am  

SFWoman Says:

> What is the $$ amount that the ‘death tax’ kicks
> in at now? It doesn’t really tax your death, unless
> you have a decent estate, I find that such an
> odd name for it.

The people that use the term “Death Tax” are usually Libertarians or Republicans (or others that think that the government wastes most of the money we pay in taxes) and the people that use the term “Estate Tax” are usually Democrats or Greens (or others that get money from the government and think that the government could solve all our problems if the “rich” only paid more taxes).

2001 Death Tax Rate 55% Exemption $675,000
2002 Death Tax Rate 50% Exemption $1,000,000
2003 Death Tax Rate 49% Exemption $1,000,000
2004 Death Tax Rate 48% Exemption $1,500,000
2005 Death Tax Rate 47% Exemption $1,500,000
2006 Death Tax Rate 46% Exemption $2,000,000
2007 Death Tax Rate 45% Exemption $2,000,000
2008 Death Tax Rate 45% Exemption $2,000,000
2009 Death Tax Rate 45% Exemption 3,500,000
2010 Death Tax Rate 0% No death tax on any Estate
2011 Death Tax Rate 55% Exemption $1,000,000

P.S. In 2000 less than 2% of the Americans who died paid the Death Tax and some states had less than 100 total estates over the $675K exemption (that was $650K in 1999)…

P.P.S. My Dad has joked that he plans to hire a “food taster” (like the medieval kings had to avoid poisoning) in 2010…

237   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 8, 8:29am  

I see no reason to tone down my opinion simply because they may offend the sensibility of some,

Precisely. Those are your rights. But you have failed to offer any analysis of supporting that opinion, and as I said earlier, simply hiding behind your right to say whatever you want to say. But that's your right too, you do not have to offer any justification for saying it.

A child, who is less than a year old, lost it's mother. It's a grave loss. A loss that cannot be replaced. A child needs a mother, especially a mother at that age. For good physical, emotional and psychological development. You suggested, very casually, that it was better for the child for her mother to have died. That is a very serious statement.

What you in essence are suggesting is, you think it's better for kids to lose their parents if their parenting skills are not up to your definition of "good parenting". Saying things are better by someone being dead because they do not fit with your idea of "goodness" is strikingly similar to the viewpoint of most terrorists.

238   Peter P   2007 Feb 8, 8:39am  

Saying things are better by someone being dead because they do not fit with your idea of “goodness” is strikingly similar to the viewpoint of most terrorists.

Not always. Terrorists are better dead.

At some point we do need to draw the line between good and evil.

239   astrid   2007 Feb 8, 8:40am  

StuckinBA,

Are you suggesting that adopted children, who grew up without a biological parent, are irredemably damaged.

I'm not suggesting ANS's child grow up without responsible guardians. In fact, I was originally suggesting that this girl would do better in the hands of responsible guardians than she would in the care of a highly irresponsible parent.

My paternal grandmother's mother died when my grandmother was two and she was packed off to her maternal grandparents. However, she was reasonably treated there and grew up quite well adjusted. My extended family has suffered a few instances of kids who lost parents in infancy or childhood. They managed to grow up okay and I don't see the deep psychological scar. It's not nothing, but I'm not convinced that the damage is worse than growing up with outright bad parents.

240   StuckInBA   2007 Feb 8, 8:42am  

She unfortunately will have a different mother figure so the arguement of her life being over because her mother passed on is BS.

Who said the child's life was over ? What happens to the child as a result of this tragedy is simply unknown future. The issue we are debating is completely different.

The issue is statements like... "Since I don't like the person's particular skills, I think xyz is better off with that person dead."

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