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allah Says:

> DinOR, How about those Harley EDA’s?

Harley has some tough times ahead as their target market (Low IQ Boomers, and Closeted Homo Boomers) gets older and stops paying top dollar for the pile of crap noise makers that Harley calls motorcycles…

"Still. It is hard to image what would have happened without DOS and Windows. Technically superior products are useless if they do not sell."

Absolutely. Look what happened to the Amiga 2000, which had 4096 colors and multi-tasking while Mac was was still a black&white single tasker. The English really porked the marketing on this marvel by deliberately making it harder for 3rd party add ons (like Video Toaster).

Microsoft compares to the Model T Ford. Not the best car by any means, but the one that put America on wheels.

Microsoft compares to the Model T Ford. Not the best car by any means, but the one that put America on wheels.

And in this case, Microsoft puts a computer on every desktop. Bravo!

SF is a self-proclaimed liberal city. Can someone tell me why it is so adverse to changes (e.g. redevelopment, demolition, etc)? I thought liberals are supposed to be open-minded.

Most people who live here like San Francisco just fine the way she is and are adverse to changing what works very well for most of us. Compound that with the very democratic decision making process and you have the recipe for slow decision making.

The truth is that San Francisco has build 25,000 new units in the last decade, more than all of Marin county and more proportionally than any city on The Peninsula. SOMA has changed dramatically in the last decade and China Basin even more so. I literally did not realize where I was exactly the last time I was there, and I used to work in that neighborhood.

Sorry, you are going to have to find another straw man to beat up on.

I think FAB is wrong in his characterization of what "liberals" in San Francisco are like. But what he would probably call a liberal, I would call part of the far left. People like Chris Daly are hardly liberal. Even they would deny it. I have a bunch of friends who consider the word liberal an insult to hurl at people like me who are "appeasionist" to capitalism.

And even Chris Daly has championed plans to allow developers to increase their density requirements and reduce their parking requirements, both of which increase developer profits, in return for increasing the amount of housing required to be built as low income.

And Space was correct it was Garry Kindall who first made the first DOS and not Bill Gates.

True. But who made money out of it?

in return for increasing the amount of housing required to be built as low income.

In a free market there are no requirements for density, parking, and low-income housing. The market sorts itself out.

The very need to have BMR housing units is suspicious enough.

Oh, my prediction for what the Bay Area is like in 2037:

I think 10M people will live in the area, up from 7M today, but the roads will be much less congested because gasoline will be $20/gallon. Most people will commute in little electric smart carts that will drive them around and allow much faster and easier transportation. When they get to their destination, they will park their carts and either walk or take bicycles.

Homes will average $3M in San Francisco, but the overall cost of ownership will be less, since interest rates will be 3% and inflation will be 1%. The average family income in the Bay Area will be $300k, but most things will actually cost less, as globalization really kicks in. Anything that can be made in China will be much cheaper. Homes, medicine and college education will all be much more expensive though, balancing things out.

None of us will actually do any manual labor, in fact we will get paid our enormous salaries for posting at blogs like this one at work. All manual labor will be outsourced to Mexico and China and any actual grunt work will be done by robots, operated remotely by illegal aliens living in Nevada.

The Bay Area will be even special than it is today, because global warming will moderate the climate and the coast will be the only place anyone will want to live. And there will be genetically engineered plants that everyone will plant in their backyard which will produce delicious and healthy foodstuff, so no one will every have to go shopping for food again.

Genetic programming and plastic surgery will be commonplace and combined with the improved weather, beautiful women (and men) will routinely walk around naked, displaying their glorious bodies for all of us to enjoy.

Okay, I can think of any more utopian bullshit to spew, so I am going to have to stop here...

The Bay Area will be even special than it is today, because global warming will moderate the climate and the coast will be the only place anyone will want to live.

Huh? If "global warming" is real than Bay Area will be way too warm. British Columbia will be prime.

"any actual grunt work will be done by robots, operated remotely by illegal aliens living in Nevada."

LOL

I sure hope this chart is wrong,it shows that the dollar just plummeted! :twisted:

Try this one.

Please be very careful with financial data. There are glitches all the time. This is why I am very suspicious of non-exchanged stop/limit orders.

Allah, I believe that the trade got misrecorded. 8.294 instead of 82.94.

If that wasn't just misrecorded, but actually mistransacted, then somebody is going to be seriously po'd when they see that.

:D

Off by a decimal point and it's not even april fools day! :lol:

They appear to have fixed the decimal point.

Hey, they were ONLY off by an order of magnitude... that's not bad!

FAB: Most of the homes in California are not that old (and most of the old homes like the one I grew up were very high quality).

Hm, maybe this is just my East Coast bias, but it seems that most of the Californian homes I've seen are pretty cruddy. Especially "not very old" ones - e.g. ones built in 1950's 1960's.

Similar homes built around the same timeframe in the East Coast seem a lot sturdier and... well put together.

eburbed --

Thats cause bricks crumble during an earthquake.
Yes, I would say thats a east coast bias.

"Huh? If “global warming” is real than Bay Area will be way too warm."

I guess you kids would never have survived the California drought of 1970's. You would have called it "Global Warming" as well.

Oh it was great no having to put on a wet suite when I went surfing.

"True. But who made money out of it?"

The point is your wrong and your back tracking.

I still think that "global warming" is a hoax.

The point is your wrong and your back tracking.

Huh? How am I backtracking? The point is that market drives history. The person who created the market for DOS is much more significant than the person who created DOS itself. If DOS was not created, Bill Gates could just have bought something else and made it great. Buf if Bill gates was not there, we will be asking "DOS what?" now.

Jimbo Says:

> I think FAB is wrong in his characterization of what “liberals”
> in San Francisco are like. But what he would probably call a
> liberal, I would call part of the far left. People like Chris Daly
> are hardly liberal. Even they would deny it.

I would call Chris Daly a “Liberal/Progressive Politician”. Liberal/Progressive “Politicians” differ from other “Liberal/Progressives” in San Francisco in that they change their position on issues depending on how much money they get (both legally and illegally)…

As much as I hate Chris Daly I have to give the guy a hand since he was able to get re-elected despite the fact that he is not only the biggest asshole to ever hold public office in SF but also the most corrupt person to hold public office (in the past 30 years) in SF (and that is saying a lot since Willie Brown was elected twice in the past 30 years)…

Fun with Shiller and roller coasters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUldGc06S3U

Thats cause bricks crumble during an earthquake.
Yes, I would say thats a east coast bias.

Well bricks are one aspect - but here the interiors of some of the places are just weird: It looks like heat registers were added willy nilly, as an afterthought. The default doors are of the worst quality, walls tend to be cracked, or crooked.

Things really seemed to be built slapdash - especially the 60's stuff I've seen in San Jose.

These days I don't know the difference between a Democrat and a Republican. It seems shocking but true that Democrats are more fiscally conservative than we used to stereotype them as, and you don't have to always hear the annoying bible bashing from them either. They are normally very nice people except for the fact that they think they have a right to tell everyone how much is enough for them to have, that's my only problem with liberals.

I qualify myself as a liberal republican or a conservative democrat.

I'm all for :

Gay Marriage.
Guns for people.
Mandatory registering said guns and holding owners to manslaughter charges even if they didn't pull the trigger.
Abortions.
No public money for abortions.
Public money for condoms on campuses/highschools.
Sex ed in school.
Stem Cell Research.
Limiting stem cell lines to ones harvested from donated extra fertility treatment eggs.
Reducing greenhouse emissions.
Passing cost on to consumer for reducing emissions.
Passing horrifying tarrifs against polluting countries.
Bombing the shit out of terrorist countries, and then not giving them a dime to rebuild. Rebuilding them = more terrorists.
Pulling the army out if Iraq. (And every dime.)
Pulling Haliburton's federal contracts as they are no longer an american country. Also, penalizing them for all the contractual obligations they've missed.
Sending Dick Cheney hunting with himself and himself only. And with no cell phone.
Reducing welfare expenditures.
Reducing military spending, preferrably by cutting 'pork' from 'old boy network' of military contracts.
Reducing dependancy on oil, foreign or otherwise.
Balanced Budgets. (Or rather, budget surplusses for a good long time.)
Paying off the deficit.
Once the deficit is paid off and we're running a surpluse, reducing taxes.
Term limits for Senators and congressmen/women.
A monkey in every garage, and an elephant in every pot. Or was that the other way around?

They are normally very nice people except for the fact that they think they have a right to tell everyone how much is enough for them to have, that’s my only problem with liberals.

Conservatives are nice people too. They just look mean sometimes.

I do not usually pay too much attention to the fiscal issue. I worry more about hopeless programs like welfare and overt market distortion.

SF, more and more people that I talk to who label themselves one or the other all seem to have that sort of similar ideology. The lines are so blurred now I don't recognize them anymore. I used to be the biggest ditto head out there and then I wrote my masters thesis on public private partnerships, go figure.

Everyone my age (35) with almost no exception is pro individual freedom, anti welfare, and very environmental. Your list that you just put up only has a couple of things I would even debate you on without necessarily even disagreeing on.

I always considered myself conservative, then I would listen to my peers' points of view and I started not liking conservatives. God I've got to forward this stupid anti gay/ABC emails from one of my red neck friends from Poway, CA just sent me. It's the typical, 'you liberals in the media keep promoting ...... I'm not going to watch you anymore and I'm going to tell my other 3 friends not to either.'

It's like, give it a freaking rest already.

Everyone my age (35) with almost no exception is pro individual freedom, anti welfare, and very environmental.

Because our Pluto is in Libra.

I'm a leo.

Oh, and very anti union. I don't think there has been a time in this country where unions were so despised.

I’m a leo.

Perhaps your Sun is in Leo? If you are 35 your Pluto should be in Libra. If you were a bit older you Pluto would be in Virgo.

Gay Marriage. (sure why not?)
Guns for people.
Mandatory registering said guns and holding owners to manslaughter charges even if they didn’t pull the trigger. (only when clearly negligent)
Abortions. (Only through constitutional amendment for federal protection, otherwise state by state issue)
No public money for abortions.
Public money for condoms on campuses/highschools. (Or the 3 month shot for the girls)
Sex ed in school.
Stem Cell Research.
Limiting stem cell lines to ones harvested from donated extra fertility treatment eggs.
Reducing greenhouse emissions. (Without the politics, let's start with calling it smog)
Passing cost on to consumer for reducing emissions.
Passing horrifying tarrifs against polluting countries.
Bombing the shit out of terrorist countries, and then not giving them a dime to rebuild. Rebuilding them = more terrorists.
Pulling the army out if Iraq. (And every dime.)
Pulling Haliburton’s federal contracts as they are no longer an american country. Also, penalizing them for all the contractual obligations they’ve missed.
Sending Dick Cheney hunting with himself and himself only. And with no cell phone.
Reducing welfare expenditures.
Reducing military spending, preferrably by cutting ‘pork’ from ‘old boy network’ of military contracts.
Reducing dependancy on oil, foreign or otherwise. (E85 and Toyota will practically eliminate it.)
Balanced Budgets. (Or rather, budget surplusses for a good long time.)
Paying off the deficit. (I can't believe Republicans were against this)
Once the deficit is paid off and we’re running a surpluse, reducing taxes. (Don't confuse debt and deficit. The debt is 6 trillion, the deficit is 300 million.)
Term limits for Senators and congressmen/women.
A monkey in every garage, and an elephant in every pot. Or was that the other way around?

I'm all for putting my pluto in a virgo.

FLAT TAX!!!
Legally valid civil unions for gay people.
Guns for people.
Discourage abortions without valid reasons.
Notify parents for underage abortions.
Teach abstinence in high schools but provde condom anyway.
Stem Cell Research.
Eliminate gasoline subsidies, pass on costs to consumer, allow the market to take care of the environment.
Bombing the shit out of terrorist countries, and then not giving them a dime to rebuild. Rebuilding them = more terrorists.
Eliminate most welfare programs.

Eliminate gasoline subsidies, pass on costs to consumer, allow the market to take care of the environment.

That is actually a clear free market failure requiring regulation.

That is actually a clear free market failure requiring regulation.

Perhaps. I would recommend an electronic toll road system that charges motorists based on emission, speed, weight, and distance.

Fun with Shiller and roller coasters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUldGc06S3U

I wait for the sequel.

Many free-market failures occured because real costs have not been fully passed on to consumers.