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Me? Personally?

I like the "Map of Misery" showing just which states had the greatest appetite for exotic, neg. am loan products (now noted by the Foreclosre Pulse "Heat Map"). Funny how closely the two seem to correlate?

I like CR's MEW chart. It shows a pretty clear picture of Greenspan 'dodging the recession bullet' with the housing bubble, but also shows that they have no clear way to keep the GDP looking healthy just yet. I suspect they hoped the bubble would have lasted longer, but inflated a touch more slowly, so that the underlying economy would have been strong enough to slowly deflate the bubble.

The ARM reset chart - I remember being disappointed after seeing that. Yes, lot of subprime loans are going to reset soon (or happening as we speak), but the process lasts for 5 more years for other loans. The prime and Alt-A are important from BA point of view and they don't reset en masse for at least another year.

I was also surprised to see that Option ARM resets don't really start till 2009. I thought they were the most vulnerable.

The option ARMs are vulnerable because many people who got them don't realize that if you pay the minimum payment, you speed up the reset because you're LOSING equity on those homes since the payment is less than the interest on the loan. Usually the option ARMS were given to people with at least SOME down payment, so that if they made minimum payments the houses wouldn't be underwater right away. However, if you get past a certain LTV, they reset to fully amortized ARMs at whatever the current rate is.

So... if you got one and have been making minimum payments, your reset schedule is much earlier than 2009-2011. If your house loses value and your nervous bank reappraises it, your reset schedule could be much earlier.

Option ARMS are really sophisticated tools for people with fluctuating income who PLAN on making double payments whenever they can to make up for the minimum payments they only make whenever they have to. Unfortunately, i doubt many people use them that way. If you had that kind of discipline, you'd be socking away the extra during flush months to cover the weak months yourself. I expect many of the Option ARMS are going to be flushed out of the system much earlier.

I like the map as well.

@DinOR,

The "Map of Misery" is an excellent choice, and I'm surprised I forgot to include it --just added it above (refresh to see).

The map of misery is awesome. I really like the Bay Area, but looking at how many Option ARMS there are (30%?) in the vicinity, you can understand how people might be holding their own still... they're not amortizing. Or are reverse amortizing. When those nuts crack, ouch.

I love all the charts, but I will print the MAP OF MISERY and keep it by my desk, just in case the koolaid salesmen start calling again. You and your bloggers saved me from Intense Misery, Patrick. Last January I was flirting with the idea to buy a
charming house in Riverside that is now 225 K less ( just in 7 months!!!! ) Yesterday's Standard & Poor's news sealed it for me.Thanks everyone !!

The bright red color of the state of California on the Map of Misery is just beautiful.

sfbubblebuyer,

I'm not even sure any form of "re-appraisal" is required. Now I've never had one, but I believe it's a pre-determined amount that triggers a stepped up payment. The lender will only let you go so far in the neg. before an adjustment needs to be made to put you back on a 30 yr. amoritization. Which in our case is good news.

It shines above all the rest!

I'm not sure where Randy got his Shiller Graph, but that is the one I carry around in my wallet. I especially like it for the projections of previous cycles on the current one and the green line indicating "housing only keeps pace with inflation". Quite helpful when explaining to folks where the market is heading (and why).

DinOR,

I was just suggesting that you don't even have to be doing Neg Am. If you're just treading water with the interest only, or maybe even making principal payments, but your zipcode drops 20%, I BELIEVE the bank can reassess the value and trigger the ARM adjustment/fully amortized rate.

And let’s face it, how many ADD-afflicted Uh-merikans are going to listen to you rant on about the bubble-blowing Fed, Yen carry-trade, mortgaged-backed securities, or MLS cartel for the minimum 2-3 hours it would take you to explain them all? Good charts are your best ally in educating the clueless and stupid

While I agree completely with the value of charts, I think the tone of this is needlessly disparaging. I work with some extremely sharp and highly-educated people, who are far from being ADD-afflicted. Even they don't all know what a huge financial mess this is - not because they are dumb but mainly because it is too complex for a non-financial person to grasp.

Besides, there are layers upon layers of self-interested parties at every step (from your loan officer all the way through to the top of the Fed) whose livelihood depends on not telling you like it is - which makes it very difficult for people to easily understand the real value of what is being offered in exchange for their signature on the dotted line.

Basically, all I am saying is that it is not just the ADD afflicted numbnuts who don't get it. The whole system is so corrupted by self-serving parties, spin-doctors and con-artists that most people can't see clearly through the fog without putting in significant effort.

SP

@HARM, you should also include that Shiller Roller-Coaster video from youtube in your links.

Towards the last 20% of the ride, the colour gradually drained out of the face of every person I showed it to, including some who were still bullish on RE. I vote to call it the Shiller-Chiller (tm)

SP

Oh, and a while ago, someone posted a link to a 'heat-map' of the greater Los Angeles area during the previous bubble/bust years (like 1988-1995). It was a succession of maps, showing how the prices fell over the years. I don't remember where it was from, but it really painted a very graphic picture.

SP

I think the tone of this is needlessly disparaging.

Perhaps the "stupid" comment was out of line, but I really don't think 'ADD-afflicted' is a poor choice when it comes to describing your typical Joe Howmuchamonth. However, I agree that it does take a great deal perseverance and personal research and determination to cut through the REIC fog of war.

I would categorize your typical American homebuyer thusly:

--Uh-merikans (Google "Idiocracy"): Largest group by far, and most likely to be willfully resistant to and/or unable to learn anything new that counters their hallowed (and usually wrong) belief systems. Not really worth the bother, and unlikely to ever be "edumacated" by anything other than the School of Hard Knocks.

--Ignorant but teachable: Much smaller subset of basically intelligent but RE/economics uninformed people, who might be teachable if approached the right way, with facts, lots of patience and respect. These are the people SP was referring to.

--Perma-bulls and REIC trolls: Small subset of population who not only refuse to be schooled, but react violently to any facts that counter their worldview. In many cases, they are well aware of the validity of the bubble's existence and inevitable mean-reversion, but are compelled by their professions/income (employed in the REIC) to continue to spin lies and propaganda they know to be utterly false. Some are simply hyper-competitive people and enjoy the game of playing Devil's advocate/contrarian-for-contrarian's sake.

the Shiller-Chiller â„¢ - HA HA That's fantastic SP!

Roller coaster video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUldGc06S3U

For those who think I might be a heartless, laissez-faire, no-regulation, anarchic capitalist, please review "The Limits of Caveat Emptor".