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They won't put up the address because they want to get you to come to them personally, so that they have a chance of getting you to sign a screw-me-if-I-buy-anything buyer's agent contract.

Another rough way you can estimate the proper price of a house in Merced County is to take the typical yearly rent for a house and divide it by the current long-term mortgage rate, plus a few percent for other costs. So if a house rents for $12,000 per year ($1,000 per month) and 30 year fixed interest is 6%, divide by 8% to cover property tax and minimal maintenance to get $150K. That's the price a rational landlord would pay to break even. If he pays more, it's not worth his time.

You can put in other scenarios here:
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/rentorsell.shtml

Administrator Says:

> Another rough way you can estimate the proper
> price of a house in Merced County is to take the
> typical yearly rent for a house and divide it by the
> current long-term mortgage rate, plus a few percent
> for other costs. So if a house rents for $12,000 per
> year ($1,000 per month) and 30 year fixed interest
> is 6%, divide by 8% to cover property tax and minimal
> maintenance to get $150K. That’s the price a rational
> landlord would pay to break even. If he pays more,
> it’s not worth his time.

Even if you could get a 6% fixed rate loan on a rental home, and you lived down the block and managed it yourself, and you were a skilled contractor and did ALL the maint. and repairs by yourself you would still probably have negative cash flow paying $150K unless you had dream tenants that never moved (since most renters move every couple years the vacancy and turnover costs will push you in to negative cash flow).

As Randy H has pointed out the homes that people “buy” are usually a lot nicer than the homes that people rent. Over the past few years with more and more yuppies moving to Burlingame and San Mateo and fixing up homes there is a huge difference between the quality of rentals and for sale homes (you won’t find any $100K kitchens in any of my Dad’s rental homes).

So the regulatory efforts have begun, starting in the mortgage origination business. More sober heads like DinOR tried to warn the people in that industry, now is the time to pay the piper for getting too aggressive with their customers instead of taking a sustainable husbandry / harvesting approach to their business. When a client looks to you for guidance, even if they have a blank check, it is bad business to take them for all you can. I'm pretty hardcore capitalist, and believe in "all the market can bear", but I'm not a glutton for sales work. Repeat business is 10X less expensive to earn than new business, and clients always find out sooner or later how good a deal they got.

I think Carry trade will unwind, and this is just beginning of the end. But FXY has rallied very strongly very fast. So lot of people are expecting it to unwind. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is a little pull-back before another run up.

justme Says:
...what [Bernanke's] recommendation would be should the Congress increase the loan limit that the GSE’s are allowed to purchase (the limit now stands at $437,000).

Bernanke replied simply, “A million.”

In that case, someone should ask the fool whether that is the real rate of inflation since Y2K, when the limit was around 250K.

Otherwise, make the bastard explain why the rate should be raised, since the F'ed thinks inflation has been so super-golly-low all these years.

SP

SQT’s number is hard to evaluate because I didn’t see how many sqft she bought. Obviously $135 is good. My friend paid $146 but brand-new with upgrades and warranties. Bigger houses - you pay less per sqft.

I've noticed this too. We bought a bigger house, almost 3000sqft and per sqft it's a lot cheaper than say a 1500 sqft house. I feel really good about the $135 price because the house is only 4 years old and in great shape. Not tons of upgrades, but good carpet and tile, so I'm happy.

Getting back to investment question. I am not too comfortable putting more money into metals and oil at this point. If any of these get too expensive demand will adjust.

What I want to invest in is agriculture. Not sure where to start. I have ADM and it has kind of done OK. But it's not a pure play. I looked at DBA and it hasn't really done well.

Any ideas ? TIA.

If any of these get too expensive demand will adjust.

Oh really? Did housing demand adjust simply because it got "too expensive?"

I know people who bought in Mountain House and after 6 months of living there, they moved back to the Bay Area.

On the Merc awhile back, they reported that Mountain House does not even have a supermarket, people have to go to Tracy. If that's true, seems like a dead giveaway about the value of the developement.

but, they have trouble explaining why the lending standards were removed and free money was handed to liars just to buy those under-priced houses.

Do they not have trouble explaining anything right? :)

You should be happy. Sacramento - if it is where you want to be (family, jobs) - beats Mountain House by far.

I'm not familiar with Mountain House. We live in an outlying area of Sacto, about a half hour away, called Rocklin. Very nice place. I've lived around here for over 20 years so I know what I'm getting into. ;)

Oh really? Did housing demand adjust simply because it got “too expensive?”

Not sure if you are kidding. But people can live without Gold.

Housing demand first kept increasing just because prices went up - just like a typical ponzi scheme. But eventually the same reason was one of the many factors of the bust. Sales - a measure of demand - have been falling for a long time.

Oil is interesting. It will keep getting expensive. But the rate might slow down. I know it's a lot more complicated and will take far longer to develop comparable alternatives on that scale, but it will eventually happen. Mankind has no choice but to try to survive without oil.

That aside, does anyone have good ideas to invest in agriculture related stocks ?

I have often mentioned about Mountain House. Never been there. But people around me were raving about it as the next hot area. From their description, I formed my opinion - that it's going to crash big time.

I know one who bought there. I also posted about one who backed out. IMHO, he lost deposit but saved his financial future.

These days all the chatter around me is about Windmere, San Ramon. No one is calling it hot, but everyone is raving about the "bargains" they are finding there. Not sure if they are aware that property taxes can be 2% there. Yeah, that's right. Pay 2% on 1M - and not deductible on Fed taxes for many due to AMT. Just remember not to bang your head against the free upgrade of granite countertops when you eventually realize that.

Right now, on bloomberg.com I see these headlines.

--
Nikkei down more than 500 points.
Yen at 110.
Aus central bank says inflation to go up to 3.25%.
Asian central bankers imposing regulation to halt USD's free fall.
Japanese bonds look attractive to JPMorgan. (!!)
--

May you live in interesting times.

Bap33 - I think that's a good gauge of affordability. A house should cost 2x-3x annual income.

If one has a down payment, then subtract that but the amount to get the loan for should be 2x-3x annual income.

Min wage here yields about .... $1000 a month. Annual income would then be $12k a year. 3x that would be $36k. So, at min. wage I could get a place that costs me $36.

At $36k we're talking a piece of land with a trailer on it, and I improve it bit by bit. You can buy a place for that out here and in fact in most of the land area of the US. And that beats the hell out of living in the bushes or homeless shelter or shopping cart in the Bay Area!

FYI - ex-sunnyvale-renter
The homeless now use baby strollers! Yeah, this way they are owner occupied. Don't have to worry about them being taken back by the shop owners!