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Rise of the Bandos!*


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2008 Feb 19, 3:27am   28,204 views  201 comments

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*pun courtesy of CalculatedRisk

Intractable social problem: meet opportunity.
Some homeless turn to foreclosed homes

There have been several posts from yours truly contemplating this very idea, and now it looks like the word is out on the street and being put into practise. Could there be a more perfect, complementary "market-based" solution to the twin problems of: a) homelessness, and b) housing bubble oversupply?

Personally, I wouldn't object to having some of my tax dollars diverted to formalizing the "Bandos" into a legitimate form of public housing (with appropriate oversight by law enforcement and building inspectors, of course). It sure beats maintaining the status quo on both fronts: skid row/downtown areas overrun with stinky homeless people urinating, shooting up, and prostituting themselves in public; and depopulated suburban Specuvestor cities replete with mosquito-infested swimming pools and McMansions being turned into gang 'safe houses' and crack/meth factories.

HARM

#housing

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125   DinOR   2008 Feb 20, 10:41pm  

NVR,

Thanks for the article. That's what was so quizzical about this latest round of unabated sprawl? Why? Even here in PDX the trend has been toward an urban lifestyle for at least the last ten years.

A friend explained that Moreno Valley (N and E of SD) was spawned during the last boom and quickly degenerated into "Thug Haven" in the 80's. I think it's the place where car-jacking was born?

126   DinOR   2008 Feb 20, 10:46pm  

DennisN,

I'll have to read that. Polling (like stock picking) is often said to be "more an art than a science" but Dick takes a lot of the mystery out of it for us non-politicos.

The reason I found the Tamarack story interesting was that there are several companies touting fairly substantial spin-offs and you find yourself wondering just who it is that will be able to finance them to get the deal done? Speaking of which MSFT is said to have an announcement (?) in about 2 hours. What... could it be?

127   Malcolm   2008 Feb 21, 12:12am  

Eliza Says:
February 20th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
"The car analogy does not work for me, quite, because sales tax and initial registration of a car would be more analogous to a transfer tax on a house. Transfer taxes and sales taxes are one-time events and do not concern me. "

Yes, but the registration is an ongoing thing based on the original purchase price of the car and adjusted each year. I'm just gauging the principle of the thing on a different example.

"if I work for the same company for years, shouldn’t I be taxed only on the amount I made the first year I worked, plus, say, 2% a year?"

Forget the tax rate, you're on to one of my problems with these entrenched boomers in these corporations who produce less, require more, and somehow have made themselves a protected class. They basically are doing a prop 13 but on the salary side.

"Rant: This is the 7th straight year my community has seen major cuts in funding for public schools."

This is where we disagree. For some reason schools keep needing more and more money, and they keep cutting and adding new bonds etc. Yes maybe 2% is low but owners are not paying less, they are paying more and more in real money each year. The fact that schools are still suffering even during the boom when revenues should have been gowing through the roof (lots of houses were sold, and even resold causing 2 to 10 fold increases in assessments) is proof positive that it is not an income problem, they simply won't spend the money properly. Using your own stat 7th straight year, that is basically describing the bubble period. Were they not cutting before the bubble when assessed values were much lower?

128   DinOR   2008 Feb 21, 12:54am  

DennisN,

If you're near a TV tune in to CNBC, I guess they're ready to reveal Steffi and Andre's involvement in Tamarack shortly.

129   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 1:45am  

I’m not suggesting shorting gold, I’m just saying it may become profitable in not too long. And I think gold will exhibit much less “stickyness on the way down” than real estate has been showing.

"Not too long" can mean 1 month or 15 years.

The rise of gold has been relatively mild.

Rhodium was trading below $450/oz in 2003. It now costs over $8000/oz. Yes. More than 17 times.

130   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 1:48am  

BTW, Randy H is the resident expert on housing price stickiness.

131   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 1:49am  

RE: schools

School voucher is the answer. I have yet to see a rational argument against it.

I would also like to see more tax incentives for home schooling.

132   OO   2008 Feb 21, 7:44am  

Jeff Bezos just unloaded 1.8M+ shares at $70+.

Time to buy puts on AMZN.

133   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 7:47am  

Who is Jeff Bezos?

134   OO   2008 Feb 21, 7:51am  

Founder of AMZN.

135   Paul189   2008 Feb 21, 7:58am  

@Peter P,

The COMEX/NYMEX does not like competition-

Why doesn’t GLD have options???

136   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 8:00am  

The COMEX/NYMEX does not like competition

Gold is also traded on CBOT anyway.

137   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 8:07am  

Anyone has experience with YG/ZG on CBOT? I heard it has good activities at night.

138   FormerAptBroker   2008 Feb 21, 8:41am  

Peter P Says:

> RE: schools School voucher is the answer.
> I have yet to see a rational argument against it.

Liberals in general hate vouchers because it will allow poor people to take their kids out of public schools where they learn important things like “white men are evil” “SUVs kill polar bears” “government programs are the way to succeed”.

Liberals in the teachers union really hate vouchers since private schools don’t pay as much and actually expect you to teach vs. sitting at your desk e-mailing friends while the kids watch DVDs of current movies.

139   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 8:46am  

Free Market is the only feasible solution to education.

140   HARM   2008 Feb 21, 8:54am  

Liberals in the teachers union really hate vouchers since private schools don’t pay as much and actually expect you to teach vs. sitting at your desk e-mailing friends while the kids watch DVDs of current movies.

I was about to express offense at this (I was a public school teacher back in the '90s), but then I realized: a) I was never unionized, and b) it accurately describes some (though certainly not all) tenured teachers I knew.

141   OO   2008 Feb 21, 8:58am  

I am not aware that private school teachers aren't paid as much.

I know in other parts of the world, the private school teachers are paid a LOT. For example, for the private schools in Hong Kong, a teacher with 10+ years experience was paid on average US$75K+ a year, and I am talking about the early 80s. My aunt-in-law was a private school teacher, and when she retired in the mid-90s, her gross salary was already close to US$120K (plus housing allowance). She also enjoys generous pension after retirement which was almost half of what she made right before retirement.

142   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 8:59am  

Most liberals are genuinely kind-hearted people who want to help.

Most teachers genuinely want the best for the kids.

However, mixing liberalism and human nature gives interesting chemistry.

143   OO   2008 Feb 21, 9:03am  

Just out of curiosity, how much do these teachers at Harker make?

What about the real elite boarding school teachers at Philips Academy?

I believe that public school teachers only make about $50-80K in the Bay Area, which is really not a lot given that such positions require certain certification/training beyond undergrad education. It is hard for me to imagine that you can recruit any quality teachers at Harker at a salary below that.

144   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:07am  

Moreover, home-schooling should be encouraged.

145   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:14am  

I believe that public school teachers only make about $50-80K in the Bay Area, which is really not a lot given that such positions require certain certification/training beyond undergrad education.

In a relatively free job market, why would they choose this profession?

146   justme   2008 Feb 21, 9:21am  

The problem with vouchers is that it will amplify the difference between good and bad schools. Good schools will take the vouchers, add tuition on top and start an arms race the like of which you have never seen before.

The lesser schools will decline even further. The less savvy parents will not know what to demand from their schools in return for their vouchers.

The net result will be an even further decline in uniformity, and a near total loss of opportunity for the pupils in the poorer areas.

Guess which choice the REIC (especially agents) are salivating over? That should tell you right there which choice is the right one.

147   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:26am  

The problem with vouchers is that it will amplify the difference between good and bad schools. Good schools will take the vouchers, add tuition on top and start an arms race the like of which you have never seen before.

What's the problem with differences?

The net result will be an even further decline in uniformity, and a near total loss of opportunity for the pupils in the poorer areas.

If uniformity is a virtue, God would have cloned us like Imperial Stormtroopers.

148   OO   2008 Feb 21, 9:27am  

Why do you want uniformity? People are not born to be in equal in IQ, aptitude and creativity. We strive for a society of equal access to basic rights, not equal performance. We are not even born with equal opportunities, my kids will never get the same exposure and doors open to them as Bill Gates' kids, and that is fine with me.

149   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:31am  

In some areas, I have more rights than the emperor of Japan, who is prohibited by law from consuming Fugu. :)

150   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:33am  

Guess which choice the REIC (especially agents) are salivating over? That should tell you right there which choice is the right one.

Of course the REIC does NOT want vouchers, which empowers residents to send their kids anywhere they want.

151   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:36am  

Good schools will take the vouchers, add tuition on top and start an arms race the like of which you have never seen before.

Excellent! Free Market solution!

152   HeadSet   2008 Feb 21, 9:38am  

It is hard for me to imagine that you can recruit any quality teachers at Harker at a salary below that.

OO,

My wife was an Elementary School teacher. People who go into that field know they will be low paid, money is not the draw. You may have noticed that teacher shortages are not in the districts with the lowest, pay but where the students are more unruly. I never heard a teacher tell me they quit because of the pay. They lose heart after dealing with an entity that allows a student to be flunked only once, allows no way to effectively deal with disruptive students (one of the drivers at the cab company is a burley black man who quit teaching middle school to drive cabs because he was tired of facing down tough acting students), and parents concerned more with students "rights" over student learning. Add to that having coworkers who were hired more for affirmative action than for ability or work ethic.

I accompanied my wife to the housing projects several times for Parent-Teacher meetings. The third grade kids were able to be good students, but the parent (single term intended) usually stunk on ice and was the biggest detriment to the kids education.

153   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:43am  

Hopefully, the Supreme Court will get more conservative over time.

We need serious changes in the education system.

154   OO   2008 Feb 21, 9:50am  

Headset,

thanks for the explanation. But low pay is definitely deterring more good people from entering this profession. In your wife's case, at least she has a spouse, you, who is probably making market salary. If she married another teacher, or remained single, her life would be very harsh given the cost of living in the BA. I think I have read some disheartening story about a teacher who had to get by at a homeless shelter.

I think such a compensation system is sickening. I am more than happy to pay for the best talents, and what investment is more important than our offspring? Teachers have kids too. Even if they are not materialistic at all, they still need to worry about putting food on the table for their family.

I am all for paying competent teachers the best salary we can afford. Admins are the people that we absolutely don't need at all. Parents who care about the education of their kids should be allowed to pay higher tuition to make teachers happy.

I am not a believer of public education.

155   HeadSet   2008 Feb 21, 9:50am  

We need serious changes in the education system.

156   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:54am  

I am not a believer of public education.

Me neither. But that should be obvious by now.

157   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:56am  

For too many parents, school is just a place to dump unwanted responsibilities. Such parents have no business having children.

158   HeadSet   2008 Feb 21, 9:57am  

Why did only one line of a post print? Oh well, here goes again

We need serious changes in the education system.

Even the "bad" schools with a high percentage of underachievers have some students who get scholarships or other academic achievement. A "bad" school is really just one where the the majority of students do not take advantage of what is offered.

You will never design a system that will give a good education to an unmotivated student with apathetic parent(s).

159   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 9:58am  

You will never design a system that will give a good education to an unmotivated student with apathetic parent(s).

But we can design a system that will ignore such influences.

160   HeadSet   2008 Feb 21, 10:01am  

But we can design a system that will ignore such influences.

How? Take kids away from bum parents and sent to boarding school?

161   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 10:04am  

How? Take kids away from bum parents and sent to boarding school?

We can send them to special schools that are more appropriate for their aptitudes. This way, they will be unable to adversely affect other students.

162   HeadSet   2008 Feb 21, 10:17am  

Good point.

Newport News has an "Achievable Dream Academy" that takes high risk kids. Seems to work, disipline and respect is enforce by Army NCOs who volunteer their time.

163   Peter P   2008 Feb 21, 10:24am  

Newport News has an “Achievable Dream Academy” that takes high risk kids.

Yeah, we all want them to achieve the American Dream and buy a house with the latest financial innovations. It is that important. :)

164   Malcolm   2008 Feb 21, 1:09pm  

Peter P Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
-Good schools will take the vouchers, add tuition on top and start an arms race the like of which you have never seen before.- Justme

Excellent! Free Market solution! - Peter

This is the typical exchange on this particular topic. It's a funny issue because both sides agree on the outcome but for some reason the side claiming to want to improve public schools doesn't like the idea of allowing bad schools to fail. The argument goes something like, vouchers will mean everyone will flee from public schools and private businesses will make a lot of money. Then I get into the prop 13 argument with people saying public schools are underfunded. With no disrespect to anyone I have to ask, because it really begs the question, if schools are so underfunded why is it that these businesses will make a ton of profits with less public money and at the same time be so offensive as to draw away all the students with superior customer service?

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