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Phase 2 of the Real Bailoutâ„¢ is here


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2008 Feb 27, 2:33am   26,834 views  273 comments

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Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Portfolio Caps Will Be Lifted (Update2)

Phase 1 : Congress raised the GSE (Fannie and Freddie) conforming loan limit from $417,000 to $729,000.

Phase 2 : Congress instructs the OFHEO to lift portfolio caps on the GSEs (which were placed there because of GSE "accounting irregularities" and concerns about the GSE's size/share of market).

Next up...

Phase 3 : Eliminating all qualifying “standards” on the type of mortagages the GSEs can buy: allowing no-docs/NINJAs, neg-ams, I/Os, option ARMs and assorted hybrids.

Phase 4 : Congress making implicit GSE guarantees explicit, and taxpayers assuming/liquidating the portfolios of the soon-to-be bankrupt GSEs (RTC, part II)

Can’t happen, you say? Never say “never” where a bought-off "Socialize all losses" Con-gress and whining, clueless, bleating "why me?" sheeple are concerned.

HARM

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256   OO   2008 Feb 28, 1:19am  

weight wise, you really have to experience it to hold a gold bar in your hand, an entirely different sensation from holding money.

size wise, very depressing, it's like, I paid all that much for this little guy?

257   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 1:21am  

More like 3 inches, I'm envisioning it in my hand, if you squeeze your three middle fingers together that's about as tall as it was. I think it was a Credit Suisse bar. I like the Fortuna bars, they have a very pretty image on the front.

258   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 1:23am  

OO, you have to admit though that in a sense the small size is neat. I used to thing, wow, that is a lot of money/wealth/whatever to cram in such a small space.

259   HeadSet   2008 Feb 28, 1:25am  

DinOr,

Now hopefully some of that will spill into the "change" we keep hearing about.

260   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 1:29am  

Knowing that it is recognized like money anywhere in the world is part of the charm. If I give you some printed money from some country you never heard about you have no idea what you're holding, but with that gold bar you could go and get dollars for it, or you could go to some third world country and buy a slave or have someone killed. The concept of gold is a very interesting relic from ancient times.

261   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 1:30am  

think, not thing, God my typing :(

262   Peter P   2008 Feb 28, 1:53am  

Look at this 12 oz gold coin. I bet it is not very big physically.

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263   Peter P   2008 Feb 28, 2:00am  

Which coin dealer do you guys use?

I am looking for a nice 20 Franc Helvetia. It just looks pretty to me. Perhaps I can use it for meditation.

264   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 2:11am  

I would guess that coin is the size of one of those large gold chocolate coins. Pretty, but man that is a hell of a premium over spot.

You'll need to medidate if you own that thing. Like we were saying, owning physical gold in any substantial quantity brings on new stresses.

Namaste-/\

265   Peter P   2008 Feb 28, 2:13am  

I would guess that coin is the size of one of those large gold chocolate coins. Pretty, but man that is a hell of a premium over spot.

Yeah, I joked with my wife that if I order that online, the chocolate version will come instead. :)

You’ll need to medidate if you own that thing. Like we were saying, owning physical gold in any substantial quantity brings on new stresses.

Wealth is no wealth if it brings stress.

266   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 2:15am  

That's why I like to simplify. Very true, I have friends with the big house and all that good stuff, they are suing this contractor, being sued by that contractor, uh I don't get people.

267   Peter P   2008 Feb 28, 2:16am  

From pictures online, it seems that the Krugerrands have a beautiful red-tint (due to copper contents?).

On the other hand, is the softness in the Maples a issue? I heard that many dealers will buy them only at melt price.

268   Peter P   2008 Feb 28, 2:18am  

Many people are not ready to receive wealth. It is essential to understand the concept of abundance.

269   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 2:21am  

That is true of most common coins, which is why I'd caution on paying any premium over spot. My buffalos got $5 over spot when I sold them.

Don't worry about the softness, that is somewhat BS, just like a jewelry store will say 18K is too soft which is why they only carry 14K. BS. Pure gold is soft in comparison to other metals but you can't pinch it or anything like that. You can't bend it, if you drpped a pure gold coin onto a hard surface it might leave an impression.

So don't drop a pure collectible gold coin onto a hard surface - yes, that's financial advice.

270   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 2:22am  

Peter P Says:
February 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am
"Many people are not ready to receive wealth. It is essential to understand the concept of abundance."

Let's leave the boomers out of this.

271   Peter P   2008 Feb 28, 2:26am  

The maple platinum coins look nice though. Unlike gold, platinum is HARD.

272   Malcolm   2008 Feb 28, 2:27am  

And guys, please, if you do take your gold in to a coin shop DO NOT wear a fanny pack on the way out. Not only might you get robbed, but you are likely to get your ass kicked for making that kind of fashion statement.

Not financial advice.

273   yodaking   2008 Mar 4, 5:36pm  

(sorry; I posted this question in other threads)

Hi, I was hoping somebody here could point me to a good free foreclosure listings site? (if it even exists) All the ones I see, you have to pay to access full listings.

Much appreciated in advance.

Cheers

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