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68% Price Reduction in Los Banos


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2008 Jul 26, 9:42am   22,908 views  136 comments

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Dear Patrick,

After many years of saving and prudence, I have helped my parents find
and purchase a home in the Central California town of Los Banos.
Arguably, we could have waited a bit longer. After much wrangling they
found a house at a very reasonable price and can now live in it
comfortably, having paid for it with the money they saved (not
borrowed). They paid $143,000 for a home that was last sold for about
$450,000. It was a mere coincidence that they happened to know the
couple who was foreclosed upon and thus could verify this information
firsthand. When everyone else was stark raving mad with visions of
real estate riches I begged and pleaded with my folks to wait it out
since there was no way to rationalize half million dollar homes in the
Central Valley-California's Appalachia. I am glad there were others
out to support and substantiate my view.

Sincerely,
Efrain Rojas

#housing

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97   Steveoh   2008 Jul 30, 4:45am  

TOB,

Patrick had a link to an article there, a while back and I saved the bookmark for future visits. Their links list is interesting too.

This writeup just caught my eye today. The author, Darryl Robert Schoon is also selling a book he wrote, at this link:

http://www.survivethecrisis.com/

98   EBGuy   2008 Jul 30, 6:41am  

Bush Signs Law Boosting Taxes on Vacation-Home Sales
An interesting twist in the Freddie/Fannie Bailout Act of 2008:
The new law would let only a portion of the profit on a vacation home be excluded from tax, depending on how long the property has been owned rather than lived in.

For example, a married couple buys a vacation home for $400,000 in 2009. If they make it their principal residence in 2011 and sell it for $700,000 in 2014, only 60 percent of their profit, or $180,000, can be excluded under the $500,000 allowance. The rest, or $120,000, is taxable at the 15 percent rate, meaning they will owe $18,000.

The 15% capital gains rate... oh, the humanity...

99   Steveoh   2008 Jul 30, 6:49am  

After reading articles like Chinese Government is Top Foreign Holder of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Bonds and U.S. Taxpayer Bailout of China Over Fannie Mae, I couldn't help but wonder, How Big Is China's Debt?

100   EBGuy   2008 Jul 30, 7:49am  

Evidently the bid-to-cover of over 2 in last week's TSLF auction got someone's attention at the Fed. How about adding $50billion in options to the $200billion limit on the TSLF. See
here for the sordid details. Will be interesting to see who takes advantage of the Fed... I mean avails themselves to the new credit facility.
Also, this just in... the credit crisis may last a little longer than we thought. TAF to remain capped at $150billion, but now $50 billion will be auctioned with 7 week terms (instead of 4 weeks).

101   DennisN   2008 Jul 30, 7:55am  

Guns are still cheap. Get yourself a type 03 "curio and relic" FFL and you can shop at places like www.aimsurplus.com . They are selling nice 1891/30 Mosin Nagants for $70 full kit (cleaning stuff, bayonet, etc.).

102   Steveoh   2008 Jul 30, 10:28am  

Yeah, well... I don't own a gun myself, but I'm glad that a lot of Americans do.

I forget who said, "When the people fear government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

103   OO   2008 Jul 30, 10:43am  

China's debt is just like Japan's debt, or American debt, it is all issued in local currency, so these government crooks can just print as much as possible. Of course nobody has our power to issue debt to foreigners in OUR currency.

Two more days to Friday, I am always very excited on Friday lately waiting to see which banks bite the dust. Kinda disappointed that Wamu has not folded yet.

104   OO   2008 Jul 30, 10:48am  

Btw, Gordon Chang is not a very credible commentator on China, he has a personal agenda and is quite biased in his assessment.

I may share his hatred, but not his bias. There is no use just wishing ill will on China, it has never proven to work. Objectively assessing its strength and weakness will be more profitable. What will bring down China is not its debt, or lack of democracy, or whatnot, but rampant inflation accompanied by food crisis. If we are lucky, we will see it before 2010. Henry C. K. Liu is a far more credible and insightful commentator than Gordon Chang.

105   OO   2008 Jul 30, 11:17am  

OT

Some really major price reduction on land from foothills of S. San Jose to Morgan Hill. For the sellers that want to "meet the market", the reduction range is about 20-30% compared to a year ago, almost half off from 05 top. Further away, Gilroy has crashed (but you still won't be interested). All those Gilroy serviced flat lots advertised for $350K-400K an acre need to come down at least 2/3 to make sense, if Gilroy can make it through the surging crime rate in the recessionary cycle though.

The fortress land is still asking for a wishful price tag, but there are signs of softening.

106   PermaRenter   2008 Jul 30, 1:11pm  

Study: Illegal residents decline
USA TODAY

The number of illegal immigrants in the USA has fallen sharply as state and federal officials intensify a crackdown on undocumented migrants and jobs grow scarce in the faltering economy, according to a report Wednesday by a group that advocates reduced immigration.

Using Census data, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates that the illegal immigrant population dropped by 10% to 11.2 million from August 2007 through May.

"Illegal immigrants are responding to changing conditions and leaving the country in significant numbers," says Steven Camarota, director of research at CIS.

His study found that the number of legal immigrants rose from 26.6 million to 27.6 million over the same period.

"It doesn't seem like America is more unpleasant for immigrants," he says. "It seems more unpleasant for illegal immigrants."

107   PermaRenter   2008 Jul 31, 12:33am  

Mortgage professionals flooding temp agencies

The pop of the housing bubble has hit few groups harder than those from the mortgage industry.

Many who were making six-figures at the height of the housing boom are now taking whatever they can to pay the bills.

"They're now grateful to receive a sales position with a base salary of $40,000 a year with a commission plan," said Sherri Mitchell, president and CEO of All About People staffing agency in Phoenix.

"You have a lot of small companies that have really just disappeared, but nobody knew they existed in the first place," said Jay Butler, director of the realty studies group at ASU.

Mortgage companies that concentrated on subprime and no-documentation loans began closing their doors as early as late 2006, and with the housing market still near its bottom, mortgage players continue to feel the pressure.

108   Steveoh   2008 Jul 31, 12:45am  

Check out this video by Jim "the Realtor" Klinge, on his website, Bubbleinfo.com
or here:

http://tinyurl.com/6kmsxe

Nice truck Jim!

109   HeadSet   2008 Jul 31, 1:40am  

Steveoh,

Nice! But what was his point in making it? Certainly not to sell the house.

That truck could be classic if were to be restored.

110   Steveoh   2008 Jul 31, 4:27am  

Headset,

I guess this realtor is known for his videos and pithy comments on his blog about his own industry. He has managed to attract a following and prabably produced that for them.

111   thenuttyneutron   2008 Jul 31, 4:34am  

I see the California is trying to get its budget in order by cutting the pay of 200,000 state workers.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/politics/uwire/main4301396.shtml

This can't go over well. People do act funny when you involve their money. How many people will lose their sympathy for these state workers if they discover their taxes will have to go up inorder to meet these obligations?

112   Steveoh   2008 Jul 31, 6:34am  

CA Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger

"Today I am exercising my executive authority to avoid a full-blown crisis and keep our state moving forward. This is not an action I take lightly, but we do not have a budget, and as governor, I have a responsibility to make sure our state has enough money to pay its bills."

Cutting the pay of about 200,000 state workers to the federal minium wage of $6.55 an hour would save California as much as $1.2 billion a month, the governor's office said. Such workers would get regular pay plus back pay once a new budget is approved.

http://tinyurl.com/6l3wsw

...workers would get regular pay plus back pay ...as much as $1.2 billion (per as many months as it takes to get a budget?)... once a new budget is approved!

So its just a deferral then. An IOU to 200,000 people. Or maybe it's more like choosing to pay the minimum payment on a typical Option ARM mortgage. Just add the difference to future payments due.

Only this is the state payroll.

I guess the bright side is the forced savings for the employees affected, right? I wonder if they could offset the temporary shortfall by changing their W-4.

113   Richmond   2008 Jul 31, 7:10am  

I wanna say that they did this very same thing back in '89, '90 maybe. I remember all of my cash customers that were state employees coming in and using credit cards and bitchin' like all get out. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

114   PermaRenter   2008 Jul 31, 7:43am  

Is this reasoanble price? I know that Homestead High is crappy school. I have seen students and the crowd does not look good.

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777 HOLLENBECK AV #6F, Sunnyvale 94087 (Sunnyvale)
$699,950 Beds: 3 bed(s) Baths: 2 1/2 bath(s)

Btfl 3/2.5 End unit in the prime SU location, minutes to Cumberland shcool(API 901/stores/park/freeway. Remodeled Kitchen w/ new recess lights/granite counter/sink etc. Newly remodeled bathrms w/granite counter/vanity/toilet/floor/light fixtures/mirror etc. A/C for summer comfort, separate family rm upstairs, dp windows, two spacious patios, extra storage space in attic,New berber carpet upstairs.

Schools/Districts
Elem: Cumberland Elementary/ Sunnyvale Elementary
Middle: Sunnyvale Middle
High: Homestead High/ Fremont Union High
===============

115   cb   2008 Jul 31, 8:37am  

Is this reasoanble price? I know that Homestead High is crappy school. I have seen students and the crowd does not look good.

Homestead High has decent test scores (if you belive in them), Fremont high is a lot worse, test scores or not.

116   MarkInSF   2008 Jul 31, 12:09pm  

"Los Banos is San Jose East now-a-days. Not a place to raise kids, but retirement might be better. The mexican gangs are thick now. It’s all thugs and drugs. 9 of 10 babies born last year was to unwed teen hispanics. Source: Wifes aunt works in the hospital baby area, and her cousin works for welfare office in Los Banos."

Hmmm... that looks familiar:

Bab33: "90% of all babies born is Merced County in the past 5 years were born to unwed-teen-hispanics, all (100%) were paid by welfare and are on welfare"

http://patrick.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8398&p=40887&hilit=unwed+teen#p40887

Then your source was:

"@marksf, I tried to find the article on-line. It was a local story, not an AP thing. The date of the story was (I'm pretty sure) March 31, 2008. Merced Sun-Star."

And you conceeded:
"fair enough .... yep, without the article I'm without any support."

http://patrick.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8398&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=unwed+teen&start=199

You sure you're not just making this new '9/10 babies born to unwed teen hispanics' allegation?

117   MarkInSF   2008 Aug 1, 3:02am  

The reason I ask if you're making this up is two fold:

1) In one place you claim your source is the "Merced Sun-Star" and then a few months later, you claim your source is "Wifes aunt works in the hospital baby area, and her cousin works for welfare office in Los Banos". The fact you claimed a newspaper source earlier, makes me highly suspicious of your later claim.

2) 9/10 babies born to unwed teen Hispanics is an over the top allegation. I can certainly see that figure in a clinic that serves mostly unwed teen Hispanics, but for a whole city or county, that number is preposterous.

"well, no, I aint making it up. Why would I do that?"

Because you've got it out for illegal immigrants? I've got no beef with people bringing up legitimate issues regarding illegal immigration. But I do take issue if people make things up, because that would be slander against a whole group.

118   apostasy   2008 Aug 1, 4:03am  

100%, 97%, 95% financing is alive and well in other parts of the country. There are apparently plenty of investors willing to stump up for the backing of these mortgages. This is confirmation of my belief that the CA market won't truly capitulate until rational lending becomes mainstream again throughout the market, not just in CA.

119   EBGuy   2008 Aug 1, 5:21am  

FWIW, Wednesday's TSLF auction ($50 billion) had a bid to ask of .56, which was only slightly higher than the one 4 weeks earlier (.52). Whatever conditions caused the spike one week earlier seemed to have abated.

120   DennisN   2008 Aug 1, 7:58am  

In an article which should be near and dear to Patrick's heart....

Forbes has the top 10 "overpriced" zip codes in the US based upon a measure of purchase price vs. rental value.

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/105488/America's-Most-Overpriced-ZIP-Codes?mod=weekend

Fortress wannabe Willow Glen comes in at spot #10.

121   OO   2008 Aug 1, 9:05am  

So, which banks failed today?

122   OO   2008 Aug 1, 9:09am  

EBGuy,

H3 seems boring, non-borrowed reserve just went red another 4B or so.

It is more fun counting failed banks on a Friday afternoon.

123   tannenbaum   2008 Aug 1, 9:49am  

OTOH, California is hitting "bottom" according to this article as rents are theoretically in line with prices in many instances, which is antithetical to Patrick's #1 home page argument:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080801/us_nm/california_housing_dc

124   Paul189   2008 Aug 1, 10:36am  

Happy Bank Failure Day!

I mean Friday (same thing)

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/firstprioritybank.html

125   lunarpark   2008 Aug 1, 2:02pm  

http://promo.realestate.yahoo.com/americas-most-overpriced-zip-codes.html

Ten spots where buyers pay a huge premium to own relative to how much it would cost to rent.

In San Jose, Calif., home to Silicon Valley and some of the highest home values in the country, a bumper sticker reads, "Dear God, one more bubble before I die."

126   Malcolm   2008 Aug 1, 3:20pm  

I used to be a fan of Ben Stein's, but I saw him on Larry King a couple of days ago. He with great authority was telling everyone what happened with housing and basically gave a summary of what we've talked about here for years. I think it is fitting to remind everyone what he was saying just 6 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x01rhPtMLQ

127   PermaRenter   2008 Aug 2, 1:05am  

Ben Stein is joke ... I always give him lowest possible rating in Yahoo.

128   HARM   2008 Aug 2, 7:28am  

Quick Q: any Patrick.net regulars live in Oregon (aside from DinOR)?

129   Malcolm   2008 Aug 2, 12:08pm  

Really? I always thought Ben Stein was generally respected as having a brilliant economic mind. If I ever doubted myself on the housing downturn it was because of his opinions.
Again though, it still astounds me that the same experts who misjudged all of this still have their jobs, and still get the phone calls when the media wants an 'expert' opinion.
During that same show they had experts talking about the tax ramifications of the debt forgiveness if you just walk away. Obviously these experts weren't reading Patrick.net when the Mortgage Debt Relief Act was passed. We had a pretty long discussion here, but the experts who are still misinforming the nation missed that one.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=174034,00.html

130   Malcolm   2008 Aug 2, 5:29pm  

Whoever suggested I watch Glengarry GlenRoss, thanks. It is a very good movie and I recommend it.

131   bikes2work   2008 Aug 4, 9:09am  

Bay Area rents are going to go up if the following excerpt from the Modesto Bee is true:

'At least one industry analyst suspects the valley's foreclosed families are headed back to the Bay Area, especially those who had been commuters.

"We believe that there is going to be a tremendous shift back to urban areas, led by those who bought homes in the outlying areas who lose their homes to foreclosure. They will choose to rent near work to save money," wrote John Burns, a national real estate consultant in his July building market analysis.'

132   EBGuy   2008 Aug 4, 9:12am  

Another "fire sale" in the Berkeley Hills. Looks like the original financing in 2005 (sale price $1.2million) was an 80/10/10-- so $120K in downpayment down the drain. The first and second liens were owned by the same party. Now hitting the market at $914900.

133   PermaRenter   2008 Aug 4, 1:52pm  

A Sunnyvale family, who didn't want their names used, sent their children to Hoover Elementary in Palo Alto by producing a grant deed for a Palo Alto home occupied by the children's grandparents. Although the mother's name was on the deed, her children weren't actually eligible because attendance is determined by where the child lives, not where a parent owns property. But Palo Alto officials never checked, said the mother, who wanted her children to attend a "good" school and later moved into the district.

134   PermaRenter   2008 Aug 4, 1:54pm  

Last year, a Cupertino Union employee living in San Jose, outside the district, discovered that one of her neighbors was a student who attended her school.

In a recent week, Cupertino's tip line fielded three calls. The district annually may discover four or five students at each school with falsified addresses, Carmichael said.

"People care because they feel like they're paying an inflated price to live in Cupertino, and they look at someone who doesn't pay that price and feel that the other families are burdening the system," said Cupertino Assistant Superintendent Linda Denman.

135   Malcolm   2008 Aug 5, 3:16am  

OMG, you guys were right. I'm reading somewhere else that the tax credit to buy a foreclosure actually has to be paid back. What a complicated hassle.

136   EBGuy   2008 Aug 5, 3:38am  

“We believe that there is going to be a tremendous shift back to urban areas, led by those who bought homes in the outlying areas who lose their homes to foreclosure. They will choose to rent near work to save money,” wrote John Burns, a national real estate consultant in his July building market analysis.’

While I'm sure there will be some shifting, the outerlying areas are now becoming truly affordable (that's what those 50% declines will do for you). For reference, a monthly ACE pass from Stockton to San Jose goes for $282.50; this is equivalent to servicing a $27,500 mortgage at 7% (30 year fixed). I will leave the rest of the math up to the reader (including calculating the "psychic cost" of commuting that far each day...)

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