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I'm in agreement. These unions are very much like Hitlers Germany or Stalins Soviet Union.... where they only let you get good jobs if you join their party/union. If one isn't kissing some government behind, that individual is not getting a job. Crony to the core.

thunderlips11 says

You should not be able to fire somebody because “You just don’t like the way they look.”

There are federal laws against discrimination. And these are not limited to unions.

I agree wit Chris. More states should adopt Right to Work for Less laws.

Oh, and next time you spew your Hitler/ Stalin nonsese Chris, get your facts right. Hitler actually DESTROYED unions:

We looked at contemporary and historical accounts and a transcript of the Nuremberg Trials, and we consulted Kenneth F. Ledford, associate professor of history and law at Case Western Reserve University. He is a social historian of modern Germany and an authority on German legal and labor history.

Citations from "Mein Kampf" come from the chapter "The Problem of the Trade Unions" -- "which is really pretty incoherent," Ledford said.

"It is not an endorsement of trade unions but a call to subordinate the message of class solidarity to one of national solidarity" and "a call for the quiescence of labor to favor heavy industry," he said.

In saluting unions, as in naming the Nazis the National Socialist German Workers' Party, Hitler "was using words he knew had appeal. It was as if they had been focus-grouped. Those were hot-button words that had resonance in the revolutionary period after 1918.

"The reality is, the (Nazi) party could not make inroads into the organized, unionized, working-class electorate in Germany," Ledford said.

May Day was first celebrated as an international day of labor in New York in the 1880s. Hitler made it an official paid holiday, not just a negotiated day off, on May 1, 1933 -- and used it to rally for his regime and industrialization. William Shirer (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich), who was there, called it "an elaborate piece of trickery."

The next day, on May 2, 1933, unions were dissolved, their assets were confiscated, their offices were occupied and their leaders were arrested. Hitler then outlawed strikes, abolished collective bargaining and established the German Labor Front, a corrupt party organization.

"It wasn't even a sham labor union," Ledford said.

In Russia, he noted, "Stalin didn't have to eliminate unions -- Lenin already had."

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/08/sherrod-brown/sen-sherrod-brown-says-hitler-stalin-and-mubarek-a/

Thunder, CA is the same way. But the bottom line I think comes down to the fact that no-one owes anyone a job. Years ago I was let go specifically because I refused to shave my beard. They didn't owe me a job I didn't owe them a shave so we decided to part our ways. And just like the example above, it was not important.

Besides if you work in a place where employer does not like you, it's probably a terrible place to work in the first place. Unions forcing you to join creates more problems for new members than it ever solves, since new guys are always the first on the chopping block.

"since new guys are always the first on the chopping block."

And in non union workplaces, older guys are always first on the chopping block since they make more and cost more to insure. "Last In, First Out," as we call it here in NY, protects older workers from being replaced with cheaper younger ones.

I have a radical idea: No more union money in elections! AND no more corporate money in elections. If you oppose unions, then you should be a strong supporter of publicly financed elections.

"Here’s what it boils down to, kiddies: If unions are such hot shit, then WHY can they only exist by forcing workers into them?"

Because corporations intimidate people into not joining unions by threatening to clse up shop. Manufacturing had tons of union workers, and guess where all the manufacturing jobs are now? Why pay US salaies when you can go to China and pay 31 cents an hour?

Unions are a symptom of larger problems, largely involving the existence of a surplus of labor. Fixing this particular problem may involve increasing the demand for labor (though hopefully not paying people to dig holes and then fill them), or decreasing the supply of labor (though hopefully not slaughtering members of the working class or letting them starve). Or maybe we could decouple the need to survive from the labor market. Somehow. There's a charming series of science fiction books about a civilization with enough cheap energy and automated production that these problems go away. They have a saying: "money is a sign of poverty". It'll probably be a while before humanity gets to that state.

Should't you dim bulbs (shirk and chris) be hanging out with all your fos brethren ? http://www.rightnation.us/index.php/

antizeus says

Unions are a symptom of larger problems, largely involving the existence of a surplus of labor

Funny, I thought that shirk and chris's overlord's desire to crush all unions was a symptom of too much labor.

HousingWatcher says

Hitler actually DESTROYED unions

I'm not saying he didn't. I said: "[Nazis and Soviets]they only let you get good jobs if you join their party/union".

The whole point is as the same one you agreed with, no one should be forced to join any union in order to work, such simply stifles the competition.