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Bigsby says

nosf41 says

Obot, she had no way of knowing his biographical information in 1991. Another author from the same agency who dealt with this lady confirmed that agency had policy that authors wrote their biographies.

So again, you are saying that the woman who wrote it doesn't know what she's talking about. I see. You seem to be very knowledgeable about the situation. Even more knowledgeable than the writer herself. Remarkable.

It is very obvious that she is lying now, trying to cover for Obama. Let me illustrate something for you. A literary agent receives requests from aspiring authors who are trying to sell their book ideas. Which process makes sense:
1. Agent asks an unknown author to submit his own biography.
2. Agent writes the biography even though agent knows nothing about author's background.

Are you stupid, naive or simply a partisan covering for Obama?

Cloud says

Bigsby getting pummeled so he pulls the race card!

His posts are littered with racist, homophobic and xenophobic remarks. If commenting on that is considered playing the race card, then so be it. And as for being pummeled in the 'discussion,' well paint me shocked that you agree with Clambo's views. Utterly stunning. Neither of you seem to enjoy the use of facts in your arguments, so really, I'm not sure what you actually consider winning to mean. Presumably, the one capable of bullshitting the most whilst keeping a straight face.

Cloud says

Then if you want anything you scream racism. You people don't believe in merit or achievement. You don't believe in this country. Leeches on a host.

It's not my country. As for not believing in merit or achievement, I'd say that is your area of expertise because you are only interested in the achievements of people who are like-minded. You are utterly incapable of acknowledging the positive things others do if their world outlook doesn't mesh with your own.
I don't have a foot in either the Democrat or Republican camps. As far as I can tell, there's not a great deal of difference between either of them when it comes to what they actually end up doing when in power. It just seems that you blow-hards can't see or accept that. You have to create your straw men to make yourselves feel better about your condition. It isn't just people like you who make your country the most influential and powerful in the world. It's everyone, of all shapes and sizes, racial backgrounds, religious beliefs (or lack thereof), political views.... Everyone who makes an effort by building up rather than knocking down. You, though, seem only interested in knocking down so what exactly is your contribution to your very fine country?

nosf41 says

It is very obvious that she is lying now, trying to cover for Obama. Let me illustrate something for you. A literary agent receives requests from aspiring authors who are trying to sell their book ideas. Which process makes sense:
1. Agent asks an unknown author to submit his own biography.
2. Agent writes the biography even though agent knows nothing about author's background.

Are you stupid, naive or simply a partisan covering for Obama?

Oh, good grief. You just can't accept it, can you? Why is it so important to you? She said she made a mistake. Why is that so difficult to accept? Let me tell you why, because you want to believe he was born in Kenya no matter what the facts are. I couldn't care less where he was born. I'm not an American. I didn't vote for him, but I can look from the outside and be utterly stunned by the sort of bullshit that people come up with just to perpetuate their conspiracy theories.

Cloud says

Not a birther.

Just know when someone is lying and using liberal orthodoxy to play the game gain without merit.

If you aren't a birther, then how can you say he's lying about it?

Cloud says

The "mistake" was intentional hoping to add to his cache with Lefties like you who love the "I was born from humble beginnings and used my race
to move up in the world."

Get it. It is a lie.

What? I mean seriously, WTF are you saying? That an editor made a deliberate mistake back in 1991 about somebody virtually nobody knew about so that it could 'add to his cache with lefties?' Have you got a screw loose?

Cloud says

An "EDITOR" you moron. Editors don't make those kind of mistakes. The damn bio is a one-pager.

It is a lie. A purposeful one.

What does his anonymity back in '91 have to do with it.

Because nobody knows him therefore this is not a deliberate lie. What kind of thinking is that?

You must be on a wind up. That or you are deranged.

There is no reasoning with idiots like Cloud. It's pointless to try. Here's a clip of three hikers trying to reason with him.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/FMEe7JqBgvg

Looks like we located the 22 percent

IT seems remotely possibly to me that it was a lie, from OBama, that is about being born in Kenya. Unlikely, but possible.

Not cool if he did, but if he did, I would bet there was some practical reason for it (not some perceived cache). It could be something like at the time he wanted to pursue having a dual citizenship, because of family over there, and maybe hopes of a career in international relations with Africa. Obviously at the time he had no idea what course his career would take, but he was very ambitious.

I'm not defending or condoning, I'm just speculating that in the fairly small chance that it was in fact a lie, the rationale would be something like this.

I would think that republicans would sort of respect that, since by nature they tend to be much looser with the honesty (especially with themselves) than those who are only slightly right of center (the so called "liberals").

This is the only rational comment in this thread so far. My best guess is that Obama has groomed his story again and again for his best interests-- which is what every public figure does, and really most people (see the current yahoo CEO scandal).

I don't understand why this is news though-- it's standard practice.

marcus says

IT seems remotely possibly to me that it was a lie, from OBama, that is about being born in Kenya. Unlikely, but possible.

Not cool if he did, but if he did, I would bet there was some practical reason for it (not some perceived cache). It could be something like at the time he wanted to pursue having a dual citizenship, because of family over there, and maybe hopes of a career in international relations with Africa. Obviously at the time he had no idea what course his career would take, but he was very ambitious.

I'm not defending or condoning, I'm just speculating that in the fairly small chance that it was in fact a lie, the rationale would be something like this.

I would think that republicans would sort of respect that, since by nature they tend to be much looser with the honesty (especially with themselves) than those who are only slightly right of center (the so called "liberals").

Cloud says

Bigsby, nice come back. Try again.

I don't need to try again. The proof is in your posts.
As it seems you're not on a wind up, ...

Bigsby says

Oh, good grief. You just can't accept it, can you? Why is it so important to you? She said she made a mistake. Why is that so difficult to accept? Let me tell you why, because you want to believe he was born in Kenya no matter what the facts are. I couldn't care less where he was born. I'm not an American. I didn't vote for him, but I can look from the outside and be utterly stunned by the sort of bullshit that people come up with just to perpetuate their conspiracy theories

You have not explained the logic behind the claim that a literary agent wrote a biography of an unknown aspiring author. She had no information about Obama's past - how could she be the one to make a "mistake" and mention Kenya as Obama's birthplace? The story is an obvious cover up for Obama.
You are the one who spreads BS claims.

If you pitched an idea for a book to an agent and she agreed to represent you - who would be writing your biography: you or your agent?

marcus says

IT seems remotely possibly to me that it was a lie, from OBama, that is about being born in Kenya. Unlikely, but possible.

Not cool if he did, but if he did, I would bet there was some practical reason for it (not some perceived cache). It could be something like at the time he wanted to pursue having a dual citizenship, because of family over there, and maybe hopes of a career in international relations with Africa. Obviously at the time he had no idea what course his career would take, but he was very ambitious.

I'm not defending or condoning, I'm just speculating that in the fairly small chance that it was in fact a lie, the rationale would be something like this.

I would think that republicans would sort of respect that, since by nature they tend to be much looser with the honesty (especially with themselves) than those who are only slightly right of center (the so called "liberals").

Let me guess - you are still against the idea that it is necessary to actually check and verify his background information using original documentation on file with various US government agencies:

1. Original birth certificate (the "written down" thing mentioned by gov. Abercrombie).
2. Passport information (including complete history of his mother's passports).
3. Selective Service registration card.

nosf41 says

You have not explained the logic behind the claim that a literary agent wrote a biography of an unknown aspiring author. She had no information about Obama's past - how could she be the one to make a "mistake" and mention Kenya as Obama's birthplace? The story is an obvious cover up for Obama.
You are the one who spreads BS claims.

I'm not spreading bullshit claims. I am repeating what the woman who actually wrote it said. It's you who is making claims contrary to that, something for which you have zero proof and which directly contradicts the person involved, so exactly which one of us is bullshitting?

Bigsby says

I'm not spreading bullshit claims. I am repeating what the woman who actually wrote it said. It's you who is making claims contrary to that, something for which you have zero proof and which directly contradicts the person involved, so exactly which one of us is bullshitting?

If you pitched an idea for a book to an agent and she agreed to represent you - who would be writing your biography: you or your agent?

Media bullshit mixed with the koolaid for liberal lefty consumption.
1. Obama is black. Y/N? No, he's a mulatto, 1/2 white raised by whites.
2. Warren is a Cherokee. Y/N? No, she has NO proof of any native American blood.
3. Al Gore is a scientist. Y/N? No, Al Gore earned a D in the only science class he ever took. The guy who taught it recently said he doesn't believe in global warming, although he was the one who came up with that theory.
4. CO2 is a pollutant.Y/N? No, CO2 is a necessary plant nutrient in very low conc. in the atmosphere.
There are reasons that some people doubt the Obama story, the reason is the story is a media concoction.
I may be alone, I believe he cannot have faked this document for birth in Hawaii, and I don't believe it is fake. It's also not the original birth certificate.
However, what I actually know about his life is he is a mixed up person.
The more you know about him the worse he gets, and the more bullshit you have to believe to not be concerned.
"Bill Ayers is a guy in the neighborhood." Not really accurate.
"I never heard Rev.Wright give sermons like that." Not in 25 years.
I got some people at a party in CT pissed off when in their liberal midst I said when I interviewed guys for a job, I never picked the candidate with zero experience. Obama had zero executive experience before his election.
I also know that Obama pulled some dirty tricks in Chicago to keep his opponents off the ballots, etc. so I think he's just a political hack.
Don't even mention his thunderthighed witch of a wife using the taxpayers money to take vacations in Spain and all over the place without her poor husband even present. They are enjoying the billionaire lifestyle that they decry, yet they earned none of it from hard work or brains.
bigsby is pathetically bleating that if you don't like the mulatto-in-chief you are a racist or worse.
Actually, I have the right to be a racist here. I can say racist things, I can write them, and I can believe them.
I can't however BE racist in the area of rental, selling something, or hiring.
Foreigners are sometimes hilarious. The three countries I have lived varied, four if you count a couple months in Japan. The other countries were FAR more racist than the USA, and also more class stratified.

nosf41 says

If you pitched an idea for a book to an agent and she agreed to represent you - who would be writing your biography: you or your agent?

Good grief. It's highly likely she had many dealings with him before writing that short bio. She says she was the one who made the mistake, but of course, you know better.

clambo says

bigsby is pathetically bleating that if you don't like the mulatto-in-chief you are a racist or worse.
Actually, I have the right to be a racist here. I can say racist things, I can write them, and I can believe them.

Oh, right, so I'm supposedly pathetically bleating about you lying and concocting nonsense. I get attacked for 'playing the race card,' but here you are basically admitting you're a racist, a fact that is clearly affecting any rational judgement on your part. I neither like nor dislike Obama. He's a politician. Some of his views I support, some I don't, but what I don't appreciate is idiots like you making up utter bullshit about somebody you seemingly hate ostensibly because of their color.
And so what if other countries are more racist than the US. What has that got to do with anything? It doesn't excuse your views, does it?

clambo says

Don't even mention his thunderthighed witch of a wife using the taxpayers money to take vacations in Spain and all over the place without her poor husband even present. They are enjoying the billionaire lifestyle that they decry, yet they earned none of it from hard work or brains.

You seem to have a thing for his wife. And you, you of all people, are criticizing them about their intelligence. You couldn't make this shit up.

http://www.spencersonline.com/product/Bm-Obama-Toilet-Paper/

Big - Clambo is simply pointing to the hypocrisy of the left. At least the right makes no bones about enjoying their success.

nos--

OK--help me out with this string of lies.

Why did Obamas Mom go through the trouble of getting his birth announcement in two Hawaiin newspapers, getting him a US passport, US Drivers License, etc. and then tell a random literary agent that he was born in Kenya?

Does that make sense?

Cloud says

By the way, whey Thunderthighs wants to say good morning to Obama she has to look into the mouth of Llyod Blankfeld, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, because OBama's head it up there.

And that, apparently, makes him a socialist.

The point is not that Obama was born in Hawaii. The point is that Obama and his publicists have created a fiction about him on various occasions. When convenient, evidently the fiction was he was a Kenyan. When convenient, the fiction was he was a black African American. He's a mulatto and has no American ancestry on the black side. He neither ever lived with his African father.
The other fiction was that his mother was sane, and not an impulsive crazy woman who was getting creampie surprised at 17 by a married muslim from Kenya.

If someone lies to you and constantly insults your intelligence and you object, is that being "stupid"?

bigsby Michelle is an asshole, a typical social climber who hates the whites who admitted her to their universities and gave her outrageously well paid jobs for which she did no actual work.
She is the one who said she was "for the first time in my life proud" because voters voted for her husband the mulatto.
Her academic final project to use to graduate from college was a boring description of her experience being black and attending that college.
So, she got a degree in narcissistic navel gazing and bullshit.
Those of course are perfect qualities for going to law school.
I get a laugh out of those who get a big charge out of these people attending these colleges. I guess because in the summers in Martha's vineyard I had my way with some of these females I have a slightly less impressed view.
I hate the Obamas and I don't care if you think it makes me a racist or a martian. Fuck them both.
My speech is protected unlike speech where you live, ain't that great too?

clambo says

My speech is protected unlike speech where you live, ain't that great too?

Freedom of speech in the US is not an absolute. I thought even you might have known that, but surprise, surprise...

And you hate the Obamas? Is that based on anything in particular or just their color and the fact they aren't frothing right-wingers?

clambo says

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This is a nice feature on Patrick.net. One cannot delete stupid comments but must leave them blank. The "cone of shame" if you will.

robertoaribas says

Are you folks really this stupid?

We are all stupid for wasting our precious hours here.

tatupu70 says

nos--
OK--help me out with this string of lies.
Why did Obamas Mom go through the trouble of getting his birth announcement in two Hawaiin newspapers, getting him a US passport, US Drivers License, etc. and then tell a random literary agent that he was born in Kenya?
Does that make sense?

I don't think it was Obama's mother who gave the information about birth in Kenya to the literary agent. That information came from Obama.

We don't know which passport Obama got (US, Indonesian,...). We know that his mother excluded him from her passport when she applied for passport reneval.

Definite answer to your question will be possible only when original documentation on file with US government agencies is examined. You cannot trust Obama's word alone when it comes to his biography. Too many lies have been told.

In my opinion, based on publicly available facts, his birth was registered in Hawaii as an unattended (by a physician) birth. His grandmother submitted birth registration form and based on that form newspapaer announcements have been made.

Governer Abercrombie vowed to shut the birthers up at the beginning of his term 1.5 years ago. Initially he was very loud about his intentions to resolve this issue. However, he did not deliver on his promise - he could only claim that something 'written down' had been found in the archive.

Obama's SSN does not make sense. In 1977 he was living as a teenager in Hawaii. The SS number, he has been using throughout his life, was issued in 1977 and it was reserved for an applicant from Connecticut. Most likely this indicates ID fraud.
According to Sheriff Arpaio's investigation, Obama's birth certificate "pdf" file and Selective Service registration card are forgeries. Director of Selective Service refuses to cooperate with Arpaio's investigation and provide a copy of the microfilm for the date when Obama's alleged registration was made.
US government refused to release passport information (prior to 1965) for Obama's mother.
Stuff like this does not happen to a person born in a US hospital (the offical birthplace story).
There is much more. It will be interesting to watch Sheriff Arpaio's next press conference about this topic.

nosf41 says

I don't think it was Obama's mother who gave the information about birth in Kenya to the literary agent. That information came from Obama.

lol--uh, does that make any more sense? That Obama would say he's from Kenya??

So, your theory now is that Obama's mother went to all the trouble to get him a birth certificate in the US when he was born, but Obama said screw it and decided to tell some random brochure author the truth about being born in Kenya.

That's your theory?

tatupu70 says

So, your theory now is that Obama's mother went to all the trouble to get him a birth certificate in the US when he was born, but Obama said screw it and decided to tell some random brochure author the truth about being born in Kenya.

That's your theory?

Theory ? Ha.

These boobs are all about throwing some shit against the wall and seeing if maybe something sticks.

We attribute it to stupidity, but nobody is that stupid. It's a lack of integrity.

okay, maybe sometimes it is both stupidity and lack of integrity.

Toe jam says

The White Guilt complex

Racist dimbulb had to hide his identity for that one, because of his shame.

Toe Jam, I think that the female liberal doxy loves Obama not because she has liberal guilt (although she might), it's because liberal females who have not grown up in the ghetto have a *black man fetish*.
It's a bit like how caucasian men have an Asian woman fetish, sometimes they marry the object of their fetish (e.g. Rupert Murdoch, Mark Zukerberg, etc.)
Every single overweight, single, older American woman who owns cats voted for Obama last time.
It's actually a bit sad. I have been glancing on Facebook and there are TWO pictures of my classmates (who are now of course old hag women) posing with a lifesized cardboard Obama. They are smiling like they are his little girlfriends.
Pathetic really. Women are such strange creatures sometimes.
Liberal men are strange too but they are easy to identify.

Clambo in grown man Facebook user shocker.

Yeah, of course I look at facebook because an alumni association wants me to attend some reunion or keep them updated on my news, etc. The spam directs me there to be "friends' with my class.
I can look at facebook and see what my foreign friends are up to, what beaches, who wore a bikini, etc. It's voyeuristic fun.

clambo says

Yeah, of course I look at facebook because an alumni association wants me to attend some reunion or keep them updated on my news, etc. The spam directs me there to be "friends' with my class.
I can look at facebook and see what my foreign friends are up to, what beaches, who wore a bikini, etc. It's voyeuristic fun.

And so naturally, following your predilection for massive over-generalization, we can now safely surmise that you are in fact a teenage girl.

Toe jam says

And yet, Marcus, I've described the situation far more eloquently and accurately than you could ever bring yourself to do.

Eloquent and accurate? So eloquent and accurate in fact that it looks like it's been removed.

Toe jam says

Leftism can only exist in a censored environment. And it's amusing that Leftists always decry the need for 'tolerance', yet when the truth hits them in the face, they can't tolerate it! The fact that it was censored proves that it was the truth, which hit a nerve deep into the psyche of the Leftist, bringing on a bout of reactive tattletalism. I think it's the word Negro that bothered you the most.

What a load of bullshit. You posted something blatantly racist and your post got pulled by the person running the site. That doesn't make what you said true, it justs makes what you posted stupid and offensive.

Bgisby, Ah, "racist" - another liberal catch phrase. Kinda like "gun contol", or "hate crime". They have no real definition and can mean different things to different people. Perfect for liberals living in the world of double standards and undefined terms.

You claim T.J's comments were a load of bullshit, and were blatently racist. Thats your opinion. I don't think his comments were racist, nor 'stupid and offensive' . Seems like you were born with a dominant political correctness gene. Hope you get well soon.