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The Secret is Out


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2012 Aug 30, 6:42am   45,562 views  90 comments

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You could not find a better investment between mid 2010 through the end of 2011 than low end real estate. Relatively low prices, record low interest rates, and the fact that the mainstream had not yet been fully let in on the secret. For the smart ones (or lucky ones for that matter) that got in during that time, congrats on the move.

Fast forward to 2012, inventory has reached inexplicably low volumes, prices have surged, and the secret about real estate investment is out.

Case and point... I sit at the family table at dinner, and the topic is real estate investment. I go to lunch with co-workers, and the topic is how to become a slum-lord. I go bowling with some friends, and everyone is talking about buying up low end real estate to rent out. I cannot believe what I am experiencing. It's like everyone with a stable job is all of a sudden a real estate investor. It's not just for the upper class anymore. My secretary bought a damn rental property this year in the Bay Area for gawd's sake!

It will be interesting to see what happens after the election and how real estate responds.

Don't get me wrong, with the rental market also surging, real estate is still a good investment today, but it was a great investment 12-24 months ago.

Waiting patiently...

#housing

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41   bmwman91   2012 Aug 31, 4:27am  

LOL

Hilarious video.

42   Rin   2012 Aug 31, 4:44am  

Dan8267 says

You're thinking of Kate Beckinsale, the only woman almost 40 who still looks good, and who plays a vampire in Underworld.

Don't forget Raquel Welch, now in her 70s, and clearly looks like she's in that mid-40s category, talk about the eternal cougar :-) !

43   PockyClipsNow   2012 Aug 31, 5:01am  

funny vid.

unshaven clown!! hahahaha

i can see this election coming down to abortion. its the only issue simple enough to get the dumb ass 'swing voters' to actually express an opinion.

44   Homeboy   2012 Aug 31, 5:04am  

Seems like irrational exuberance 2.0 is starting a bit early.

45   CrazyMan   2012 Aug 31, 5:39am  

Dan8267 says

I'll be in my bunk pretending to be a Republican.

46   edvard2   2012 Aug 31, 6:04am  

I bought a house and have healthy retirement and cash savings. I work and I save. Somehow that seems to work out just fine and dandy for me. If anyone else has some sort of conspiracy-filled, whatever investment ideas.... go for it. Hope it works out for you.

47   ELC   2012 Aug 31, 9:06am  

Call it Crazy says

It is all very distressing to me...I'm just a simple guy who likes yoga, biking to work, and eating a healthy vegetarian diet..

You forgot hanging out with your dog on that list...

http://services.azre.gov/publicdatabase/SearchIndividuals.aspx

48   Eman   2012 Aug 31, 9:55am  

robertoaribas says

It is all very distressing to me...I'm just a simple guy who likes yoga, biking to work, and eating a healthy vegetarian diet... I'm too worked up right now, I'm going to go do some yoga and meditate.

Very funny, and I thought you didn't have a sense of humor although they're kind of dry. It must be from the Arizona's sunshine. :)

49   Homeboy   2012 Aug 31, 4:57pm  

robertoaribas says

I bought a home... then another and another... 13 total so far, 2 more under contract short sales... I remodelled and rented them all out...

then, the bottom end of Phoenix caught fire, and prices for these homes went up 30% and more...

Bullshit.

50   wbblair3   2012 Aug 31, 11:15pm  

"Ok, so if a man is married and has documented sex with his wife, then he's still potentially gay?"

No, he's potentially bisexual. There's gay, straight, and bisexual. Bisexual should not be categorized as either gay or straight as it is both. Here's Kinsey's scale on that topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

51   Dan8267   2012 Sep 1, 12:11am  

CrazyMan says

I'll be in my bunk pretending to be a Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/xrFaTjcNzZM

52   thomaswong.1986   2012 Sep 1, 12:19am  

wbblair3 says

No, he's potentially bisexual.

or a sex addict

53   ELC   2012 Sep 1, 4:36am  

wbblair3 says

No, he's potentially bisexual.

Maybe he's Heteroflexible

54   Biff Baxter   2012 Sep 1, 7:23am  

wbblair3 says

Bisexual should not be categorized as either gay or straight as it is both.

It's pretty gay.

Biff

55   Biff Baxter   2012 Sep 1, 7:24am  

robertoaribas says

I'm just a simple guy

There's an understatement.

Biff

56   ELC   2012 Sep 1, 7:56am  

GameOver says

Hence, when the MORONS start jumping headlong into the RE market, the SMART money jumps OUT.

Would you say morons jumped in during the bubble because of people like Carlton Sheets? Would that be an indicator? There's some little weasel on TV now (forget his name) but in general I don't see too many Real Estate for Dummies programs out there right now.

57   Eman   2012 Sep 1, 9:10am  

Yup says

Refinance them all, pull out all that equity and buy 20 more.....

I F'ing dare you!

That would not be a wise move now. At least the 1st half of your suggestion is correct. Refinance them all and put that money under the pillows. The RE ship has left the dock. There is no reason to throw more money into the RE market now unless it's a screaming deal, and it can still produce a positive cashflow. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with sitting on cash and collect 0.25% interest rate annually.

58   steve1   2012 Sep 1, 11:57pm  

Here in Phoenix, the mini boom is already over. It isn't stopping the flippers from buying and attempting to rent or sell. I live in a high demand neighborhood where the "for rent" signs are lingering along with the "for sale" signs. Yet "investors" continue to buy and refurbish, some spending lots of money. Let's face it, really savvy people with money don't put it in residential housing. It lacks one of the basic requirements of a good investment.....liquidity.

59   Zacksmom   2012 Sep 2, 4:58am  

Those arguing about Phoenix may want to do a little research on Chandler and Gilbert, AZ. These areas have had large increases in list and sale prices from Spring until now. Both cities have made CNN Money Magazines lists of Top 100 places to move @ #50 and #33. Google it!

These areas are low crime with low unemployment and excellent schools and colleges. I know several Californians relocating for those reasons. The area has long been desirable to Canadians and Midwesterners looking to escape cold Winters.

60   Zacksmom   2012 Sep 2, 5:13am  

I'm talking about traditional sales, not short sales, REO's that are receiving multiple offers and their prices are being bid up with multiple offers. Most traditional buyers don't want to risk buying a bank owned home with possible defects. Short sales take several months to close and with prices soaring why would a bank settle when they can sell it for more money in a few months?

61   B.A.C.A.H.   2012 Sep 2, 5:15am  

Zacksmom says

excellent schools and colleges

Excellent colleges? Really?

62   Zacksmom   2012 Sep 2, 5:02pm  

Gee thanks for the racist, tasteless cartoon. With colleges it's all about perspective. I'm in Orange County, CA and CSUF has cut many classes and is subpar education for the price. UC Irvine has also had a lot of cuts and prefers the tuition of out of state and foreign tuition to instate students.

I have several years before my oldest attends college, but I'm well aware of the college debt bubble and would rather my kids live at home and go to a nearby college or University vs. take on six figure debt and then spend a lifetime endentured to debt repayment.

Thanks Robert for affirming what I heard from my sister about CGCC.

Anyone trash talking AZ should spend some time living, working, and paying the high price of CA (especially OC and LA) then you realize that you have very little left over to save or plan for the future. The weather is great in CA but the pubic schools and pubic universities are a mess. The whole State is going bankrupt.

BTW, U of A has one of the top Geoscience programs in the country.

63   8675309 Jenny   2012 Sep 2, 11:19pm  

I've been tracking the Chandler zip codes, and it is true that listing prices are up, but at the same time, sales have fallen off a cliff here

64   8675309 Jenny   2012 Sep 2, 11:29pm  

Yeah, but listing prices are up!

Nobody is buying them, there are a glut of rentals, and dum-dum thinks he's a millionaire!

65   C Boy   2012 Sep 3, 1:59am  

8675309 Jenny says

I've been tracking the Chandler zip codes, and it is true that listing prices are up, but at the same time, sales have fallen off a cliff here

I think banks are still with holding properties from the market.

66   Bigsby   2012 Sep 3, 2:01am  

Darrell In Phoenix says

Zacksmom says

Anyone trash talking AZ should spend some time living, working, and paying the high price of CA (especially OC and LA) then you realize that you have very little left over to save or plan for the future.

Here my entire life. And it's a ghetto.

The fact remains that sales volume is cratering, prices are falling and entire neighborhoods are empty.

So you say, but then you've had rather a lot of personas over the months, so who's to say where you are really from.

67   Bigsby   2012 Sep 3, 2:09am  

Darrell In Phoenix says

And you've backstopped a rather large number of misrepresentations of the truth about housing over the years.

Is that directed at me? Care to give some examples?

68   anonymous   2012 Sep 3, 2:15am  

PockyClipsNow says

funny vid.

unshaven clown!! hahahaha

i can see this election coming down to abortion. its the only issue simple enough to get the dumb ass 'swing voters' to actually express an opinion.

but i thought it was the holier then thou independent voters that decide elections? you know, the one's that are so much smarter then the partisans repubes and demtards, that objectively look at both platforms and pick the worst of their ideas to turn into laws.

69   Bigsby   2012 Sep 3, 3:31am  

Darrell In Phoenix says

That's directed at you Pimp.

Now, now, Realtors are Liars, is there really any need for that?
You forgot the examples by the way.

70   37108605   2012 Sep 3, 4:29am  

BayArea says

It will be interesting to see what happens after the election and how real estate responds.

I'll give you the response after this election:

CLOSE YOUR EYES AND WHAT DO YOU SEE?

NOTHING.

BANG

71   37108605   2012 Sep 3, 4:30am  

8675309 Jenny says

Yeah, but listing prices are up!

Nobody is buying them, there are a glut of rentals, and dum-dum thinks he's a millionaire!

Of course, only a fool thinks their shite is worth Xamount more than it really is and there are plenty of FOOLS out there in real estate.

72   37108605   2012 Sep 3, 4:32am  

Darrell In Phoenix says

Zacksmom says

Anyone trash talking AZ should spend some time living, working, and paying the high price of CA (especially OC and LA) then you realize that you have very little left over to save or plan for the future.

Here my entire life. And it's a ghetto.

The fact remains that sales volume is cratering, prices are falling and entire neighborhoods are empty.

As they should be in LA and OC most of it is uglier than it was 30 years ago and still grossly overpriced and OVERRATED.

73   37108605   2012 Sep 3, 4:33am  

bgamall4 says

BayArea says

I go bowling with some friends, and everyone is talking about buying up low end real estate to rent out.

They want to securitize the rents. That will likely cause a massive housing bubble as the rich buy up everything in sight. Then it will crash, as high rents force more multigenerational housing, or tent cities.

The rents will start out lower than current rents. But then they will have to go higher as investors squeeze the renters.

Gary Anderson strategicdefaultbooks.com

You are completely and utterly out of touch with economic reality IMHO if you believe that to be truth.

74   37108605   2012 Sep 3, 4:34am  

Zacksmom says

I'm talking about traditional sales, not short sales, REO's that are receiving multiple offers and their prices are being bid up with multiple offers. Most traditional buyers don't want to risk buying a bank owned home with possible defects. Short sales take several months to close and with prices soaring why would a bank settle when they can sell it for more money in a few months?

One comment to this lunacy: LMFAO

75   ELC   2012 Sep 15, 4:11am  

repo4sale says

1000 to 10,000% returns in vacant land.

I bought and sold over 20,000 acres...

IRR/MATH GENIUS!

That guy doesn't look like a Republican to me! Heck, there's still water dripping off him.

76   Goran_K   2012 Sep 15, 4:13am  

Yes, the secret is out, even Robert Shiller commented on it. 48% of existing home sales went to investors in Phoenix so far in 2012.

As for people who actually are buying homes to live in?

I present exhibit A:


Speculation nation baby!

77   Goran_K   2012 Sep 15, 4:53am  

Roberto, you want to make real money being a RE investor/flipper?

Lets pitch a show on HGTV or Bravo, get some funny co-stars, and bring that troll attitude with you. I'll volunteer to help script and "dramaticize" the episode story lines. Then we'll both get private islands.

78   Eman   2012 Sep 15, 8:02am  

CrazyMan says

Dan8267 says

I'll be in my bunk pretending to be a Republican.

Now I know why conservatives have a better sex life than liberals. :)

79   Dan8267   2012 Sep 15, 9:36am  

E-man says

Now I know why conservatives have a better sex life than liberals. :)

Yeah, because Kate Beckinsale would really have sex with a republican. Not since

80   JodyChunder   2012 Sep 15, 9:47am  

Goran_K says

ZIRP has hurt the U.S economy far more than the entirety of the tax credit, and the cost continue to climb.

Excellent observation that gets surprisingly little mention. This is a MASSIVE ongoing subsidy to you-know-who.

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