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Meccos says

I am not saying they can not be fired. Again you are putting words into my mouth.

Oh really. Do you have any idea what it's like responding to you ?

Meccos says

I suppose this lack of political power is the reason why teachers cant be fired for feeding sperm to kids

Meccos says

Your reasoning is a rather pitiful excuse to protect all teachers at any cost.

Meccos says

I have a fundamental problem with teachers who break the law or are completely incompetent but yet they are still not fired because they are backed by the unions.

Meccos says

THe problem is that even when teachers are found to be incompetent or even commit felonies, the unions back them up and makes it impossible for these people be fired.

This is just one topic where you lie, exaggerate and lie again. THere are about five others that I could respond to, and you would just cover it up and neither respond nor comprehend.

I explained in detail what the law is about membership in non rtw states, and that employees are only reuired to pay a much smaller agency fee and they are not required to become members, and yet you repeatedly pounded that drum after that. It's worse than talking to the wall.

There are at least three other examples that are much like me saying:

How is it that you contiunue to deny being a rapist and a pedphile Messos ?

I just do have time for your trolling or whatever it is you think you're doing.

In Meccos world, if the district finds it more expeditious and less costly to
pay the guy to quit (essentialy severance pay), rather than go through the process of firing him, you want to use this as a propaganda sound bite.

"They couldn't fire him."

Ignore.

See you later when you select your 15th Patnet identity.

Marcus,

EVERY example you used was me talking about teachers who cant be fired for committing a crime, which is clearly different from any teacher who cant be fired for other reasons. Shouldnt it be obvious and without much opposition for teachers to be fired for committing a crime?!?!?! How is it that a teacher is not fired for feeding sperm to kids and taking pictures of it?
Explain that one to everyone... please im sure we all would love to hear it.

marcus says

I explained in detail what the law is about membership in non rtw states, and that employees are only reuired to pay a much smaller agency fee and they are not required to become members, and yet you repeatedly pounded that drum after that. It's worse than talking to the wall.

this is so funny. They dont have to be members but they are still REQUIRED and FORCED to pay a fee. How is that right?

marcus says

I just do have time for your trolling or whatever it is you think you're doing.

Oh ok, now I am trolling because Im calling your union thuggish activities out...

Let me summarize.

Unions have helped protect teachers who have committed crimes against our kids from getting fired

Unions have protected incompetent teachers from being fired, instead having them placed in rooms to sit all day long and collect pay and benefits.

Unions have required teachers who do not wish to join the union into paying a fee even against their wishes.

Explain how any of these things are ok...

marcus says

In Meccos world, if the district finds it more expeditious and less costly to
pay the guy to quit (essentialy severance pay), rather than go through the process of firing him, you want to use this as a propaganda sound bite.

"They couldn't fire him."

Exactly, the unions have made it so costly and time consuming to even try to fire a teachers who commit felonies, that it is better to pay them them to quit then to fire them. Thank you for proving my point.

marcus says

Ignore.

See you later when you select your 15th Patnet identity.

My first and only... bye bye..

I work in a union shop too....

Here's the reality. A lot of unions love the "us" versus "them" game. Even when an employee is blatantly in the wrong and should be disciplined or fired, the union will play the game, file their grievances to discipline, argue there baseless grievances, and try to arbitrate it with a moderator that is sympathetic to there "I've been oppressed" mantra.

A lot of union workers don't feel they should be accountable for anything! They know the union is all to happy to defend their incompetence, apathy, and laziness. After all, if the union doesn't stay busy and file grievances (Mainly without just cause), what is the point of having a one (Other than group bargaining)? They have to create problems so they have justification for existence!