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re: "Blacks admit to electing stupid people"

We all elect stupid people, so, ummm....?

The poster wth the Marion Barry quote is interesting. If Bush had said that, it wouldn't even make the list of the stupidist (or stupidist sounding)
things he said.

All those uber smart leftists that are constantly ragging on conservatives, sound very racist to me. The most conservative sects of american society are blacks and hispanics. Makes me wonder if the reason that the left repeats the meme that conservatives are stupid, is because they think non whites are inherently stupid.

Also, I always hear about how bad of a president bush and obama are/were. Rarely, if ever, do people criticize "the first black president", when he and his admin laid plenty the groundwork for the mess we find ourselves in today.

When "everyone knows" something, its usually wrong. The economy was so good in the 90s that nobody bothers to criticize the clinton years, but truth is, he was just as bad a pres if not worse

errc says

All those uber smart leftists that are constantly ragging on conservatives, sound very racist to me. The most conservative sects of american society are blacks and hispanics. Makes me wonder if the reason that the left repeats the meme that conservatives are stupid, is because they think non whites are inherently stupid.

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Meccos says

No, its just that you are not worth that much of my time.... 30 mins is all I can offer you. good night!

Whereas when I respond to you it's not for your sake but so that all others don't fall into the mistake of listening to a fool.

Dan8267 says

#8 Purdue University

West Lafayette, IN

Conservative

As an alum, I have to point out that Purdue isn't THAT conservative. By Bay Area standards it is, but for Indiana its moderate to left wing. Obama's campaign did a lot of organizing among Purdue students in 2008 and that may have been decisive in turning the state blue for the first (and probably last) time in my lifetime

bdrasin says

As an alum, I have to point out that Purdue isn't THAT conservative

Fair enough. I wanted to err on the side of overestimating the conservative nature of the top engineering schools to demonstrate that most engineers are liberals.

I'm still not sure what is STUPID about Marion Barry?

Is he DUMBER than any other elected official in some measure?

He got caught doing something illegal. He bounced back from it.

What he said in that quote is TRUE. He wanted to tell the facts in the way that cast the best light on his district. Because after all the job of a politician is to REPRESENT and be a booster for their constituents. I may not like it, but 99% of it is like advertising, it's bullshit. But is it a LIE or STUPID? No.

Does a politican EVER SAY "we are proud of our 32 murders this year"? No, they say "we are proud homicides are down X% from last year".

David Vitter of Louisiana got outed for frequenting prostitutes, and he's still in office. So did only black people vote for him? Or what?

White evangelicals seem to like a lot DUMBASS YOUNG EARTH CREATIONISTS who think the world is only 6,000 years old and have a lot of anti-science goop clogging their brains. So do "whites admit to electing stupid people" too?

This thread is racist.

Dan8267 says

Fair enough. I wanted to err on the side of overestimating the conservative nature of the top engineering schools to demonstrate that most engineers are liberals.

Surveys I've seen of engineers lean towards "fiscally conservative, socially liberal". But I expect there's some variation between say mechanical engineers and people on the "softer side" as engineering has expanded some of them are nearly management majors. I think of Industrial Systems Engineers like that.

Vicente says

Surveys I've seen of engineers lean towards "fiscally conservative, socially liberal".

Yep, I'd agree with that. "Fiscal conservatism" has absolutely nothing to do with "social conservatism". The former means living within your means, staying out of debt, taking only calculated risks, having a fiscal safety net (6 months living expenses). The later refers to the social politics of the right (anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-regulation, pro-hunting, pro-tradition).

In fact, why even refer to fiscal conservatism as conservatism when it has nothing to do with social conservatism, which is the big set of wedge issues between the two parties, and it has little to do with the fiscal politics of the Republican Party? With the exception of Ron Paul, there hasn't been a fiscally conservative Republican president since Eisenhower. Maybe Nixon was somewhat close, but Reagan and his Republican successors sure aren't.

Dan8267 says

Maybe Nixon was somewhat close [to being fiscally conservative].

Hardly. Nixon campaigned on a "secret plan to end the war" in Viet Nam, then escalated and continued it until he was forced to resign due to the Watergate scandal. Nixon also christened the "War on Drugs," which continues to waste billions annually. When Nixon's spending and other factors caused inflation to increase, he tried to take over the whole economy with wage and price controls, which of course didn't work so then he took the USD off the gold standard. Nixon was too greedy and paranoid and egotistical, as presented in Frost/Nixon, to adhere to the discipline of fiscal conservatism, which requires an essential modesty.

The basic premise of deficit spending is, "We know better how to spend the wages of future generations than they can ever know themselves." It is the same premise as the religious fundamentalists and pseudo-"liberals" who say, "We know better how other people should live their own lives than they can ever know themselves." Both of these false premises enable imperial patronage networks to rationalize maximizing their own power, which is the goal all along. Fiscal conservatism, and social liberalism, both reflect a philosophy more like what the founders of the republic believed, and that has more recently been called essentialism, i.e. the idea that we don't know everything, in fact we don't know nearly as much as we hope future generations will know, and so we try to promote liberty for people to pursue their own various destinies.

To the extent that founding philosophy was related to Christianity, it was in the basic principles of trying to see each person as created in the unique image and likeness of God, not "young earth" creationism or the dietary/clothing/sexual restrictions of Leviticus and Paul. But, there were profound disagreements about what individual states should do; Jefferson believed states should not promote religion, while Madison believed they should. That argument has been playing out ever since.

In the context of the OP, Nixon illustrates that white voters don't always make smart choices either. Even after the publication of the Pentagon Papers, which became the lead story on the evening news on every channel, and which were entered in their entirety into the published Senate record by the great and brave Senator Mike Gravel, nevertheless Americans re-elected Nixon by a margin of 20 points. Coincidentally, that's the same margin by which white voters 40 years later chose - almost incredibly - Romnesia. And Nixon was up against a white guy, Senator George McGovern, whom RFK had described as possibly the only decent man in the Senate.

Dan8267 says

Whereas when I respond to you it's not for your sake but so that all others don't fall into the mistake of listening to a fool.

Yes I am the fool, yet you are the one making moronic generalizations like this:

Dan8267 says

Liberals like me created the advanced technologies, not corporations. Individual engineers, human beings, are responsible for every single technological advancement ever made.

Furthermore, we engineers tend be to damn liberal and graduate from liberal colleges like MIT, CalTech, Berkeley. There aren't too many engineers coming out of the Jimmy Swaggart Bible College.

Smart, educated people tend to be rational, liberal, science-oriented atheists whether you like it or not. I'm the perfect example of this.

Oh cuz you know if you went to a liberal university you are automatically a liberal right? oh yeah and the only "smart" people in the world are engineers... hahaha this is laughable

curious2 says

Hardly. Nixon campaigned on a "secret plan to end the war" in Viet Nam, then escalated and continued it until he was forced to resign due to the Watergate scandal. Nixon also christened the "War on Drugs," which continues to waste billions annually. When Nixon's spending and other factors caused inflation to increase

Fair enough... So the last Republican president that we can claim was a fiscal conservative by any reasonable criteria is Eisenhower, over 52 years ago. So how are Republicans the party of fiscal conservatism?

Dan8267 says

Fair enough... So the last Republican president that we can claim was a fiscal conservative by any reasonable criteria is Eisenhower, over 52 years ago. So how are Republicans the party of fiscal conservatism?

Dan,

Although you point out the fact that repubs are not fiscally conservative, the fact is that NEITHER repubs nor democrats are fiscally conservative.

Meccos says

Yes I am the fool, yet you are the one making moronic generalizations like this:

You can assert as much as you want. I provided ample evidence to back up my claims. You have presented no evidence to back up yours. 'Nuff said.

Meccos says

oh yeah and the only "smart" people in the world are engineers...

Meccos says

Dan's implication that smart people are engineers

Unlike you, Vincente is smart enough to read my posts and realize that I've said, engineers are smart people, not all smart people are engineers.

Meccos says

Although you point out the fact that repubs are not fiscally conservative, the fact is that NEITHER repubs nor democrats are fiscally conservative.

I never claimed that either anywhere. You'd realize that if you would shut the fuck up long enough to read other people's posts instead of skimming them. You'd be a lot more intelligent if you listened more than you spoke. Plus, fewer people would realize how dumb you are.

Dan8267 says

Meccos says

Yes I am the fool, yet you are the one making moronic generalizations like this:

You can assert as much as you want. I provided ample evidence to back up my claims. You have presented no evidence to back up yours. 'Nuff said.

Yes your quote that I copied wasn't evidence at all (the quote you conveniently excluded in your reply).... and the fact that you simply state you provide evidence is enough evidence to back your claim...

Dan8267 says

Meccos says

Yes I am the fool, yet you are the one making moronic generalizations like this:

You can assert as much as you want. I provided ample evidence to back up my claims. You have presented no evidence to back up yours. 'Nuff said.

Meccos says

oh yeah and the only "smart" people in the world are engineers...

Meccos says

Dan's implication that smart people are engineers

Unlike you, Vincente is smart enough to read my posts and realize that I've said, engineers are smart people, not all smart people are engineers.

Perhaps you should heed your own advice and read what I read more carefully. I never said you said all smart people are engineers. Rather you simply state the following moronic statements:
Dan8267 says

Liberals like me created the advanced technologies, not corporations. Individual engineers, human beings, are responsible for every single technological advancement ever made.

Furthermore, we engineers tend be to damn liberal and graduate from liberal colleges like MIT, CalTech, Berkeley. There aren't too many engineers coming out of the Jimmy Swaggart Bible College.

Smart, educated people tend to be rational, liberal, science-oriented atheists whether you like it or not. I'm the perfect example of this.

BTW, i like how you take this "straw man" argument which someone used against you and try to make it your own.

Dan8267 says

I never claimed that either anywhere. You'd realize that if you would shut the fuck up long enough to read other people's posts instead of skimming them. You'd be a lot more intelligent if you listened more than you spoke. Plus, fewer people would realize how dumb you are.

you mad dude? Its quite funny you go on this rant about how I should read things more carefully when in fact you should actually read what I wrote.
All i did was simply point out this fact that both repubs and demos fail to be fiscally conservative in response to you pointing out the repubs are not fiscally conservative. My point was that BOTH parties are not fiscally conservative. So what exactly did I accuse you of claiming? hahah Chill out bro and dont get your panties in a bunch.

Dan8267, before wasting more time on Meccos, you might want to check some of his other comments.

curious2 says

Dan8267, before wasting more time on Meccos, you might want to check some of his other comments.

True, Meccos is proof that some loads were meant to be swallowed.

Dan8267 says

curious2 says

Dan8267, before wasting more time on Meccos, you might want to check some of his other comments.

True, Meccos is proof that some loads were meant to be swallowed.

haha keep deleting my posts...

Meccos is the reason incest is illegal.

Dan8267 says

Meccos is the reason incest is illegal.

hahah... when you start getting so angry, you've lost the argument...

Shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is.

Dan8267 says

Shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is.

getting so personal.. and so angry... hahaha

Keep alleging that I'm angry. I'm sure people will believe you.

This is what angry sounds like...
http://www.youtube.com/embed/P2vkiLHiTcY

Dan8267 says

Keep alleging that I'm angry. I'm sure people will believe you.

This is what angry sounds like...

keep saying you are not and im sure you will believe it also...

Your birth certificate came with an apology from the condom factory.

Dan8267 says

Your birth certificate came with an apology from the condom factory.

this is the best that a smart liberal engineer can come up with?
you made this country, not corporations, yet this is all you have? hahaha

Do you still love nature, despite what it did to you?

Dan8267 says

Do you still love nature, despite what it did to you?

cmon... really?
smart engineers cant come up with your own insults? the three attempts at insults were all plagiarized hahaha

http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/best-insults.asp

http://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/MjAxMi0zY2FjNmIwZWE1OGVmM2Zm

i mean, dan... its pretty sad and pathetic when you have to resort to plagiarizing insults over a disagreement on a housing forum. hahah

Dan8267 says

Liberals like me created the advanced technologies, not corporations. Individual engineers, human beings, are responsible for every single technological advancement ever made.

Dude liberals like you created everything we enjoy today.. but you cant even come up with your own insults...

thank you for the many laughs tonight... we can continue this another day. Had enough laughs for one night.

Took you long enough to figure that out. I got tired of making up insults after the first two. Still, the others were classics. Yet, you still claimed they were lame. And that shows a level of dishonesty that only a petty mind has.

Vicente says

Dan8267 says

Fair enough. I wanted to err on the side of overestimating the conservative nature of the top engineering schools to demonstrate that most engineers are liberals.

Surveys I've seen of engineers lean towards "fiscally conservative, socially liberal". But I expect there's some variation between say mechanical engineers and people on the "softer side" as engineering has expanded some of them are nearly management majors. I think of Industrial Systems Engineers like that.

Vincente, this whole post is so retarded I dont even know why I continue to comment on this. Dan's implication that smart people are engineers and that most top engineering universities are at more politically liberal schools and therefore smart people are liberals is such a stretch through loose associations that it is complete comedy.

curious2 says

Dan8267, before wasting more time on Meccos, you might want to check some of his other comments.

awww... running to Dan for some support? It would actually help if all my posts were not deleted...

Meccos says

your thread here is a clear example that not all engineers are smart...

I really miss the FLAG button. The personal attacks have gotten out of hand.

Meccos says

Dan8267 says

Liberals like me created the advanced technologies, not corporations. Individual engineers, human beings, are responsible for every single technological advancement ever made.

Dude liberals like you created everything we enjoy today.. but you cant even come up with your own insults...

LOL! i guess the engineers also did the selling, marketing, and finance...

one thing to always remember in business...is never give an engineer your check book!

Your bound to go bankrupt before you make any meaning progress in the market place...

Vicente says

Meccos says

your thread here is a clear example that not all engineers are smart...

I really miss the FLAG button. The personal attacks have gotten out of hand.

Vincente, yes my comment there was the worst of all the personal attacks on this thread....