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"In spite of America’s best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided."

There you have it in a nutshell. SSRIs have been shown to double the risk of suicidality, and telling people they're being prayed for has also been shown to be counterproductive. Also I can't help wondering if the son might have been gay, since he was the youngest and therefore statistically the most likely to be gay; having a famously anti-gay religious huckster for a father can't have been easy.

AF has opined with sagacity on the mendacity of realtors, but consider this: most realtors show and sell real estate that actually exists, while religious hucksters sell celestial estates based solely on their own imaginative descriptions, cash in advance please. That reminds me, maybe Bubbles Ben and Rick Warren can go into business together, helping loanowners get a government guaranteed mortgage on their place in heaven.

curious2 says

AF has opined with sagacity on the mendacity of realtors, but consider this:
most realtors show and sell real estate that actually exists, while religious
hucksters sell celestial estates based solely on their own imaginative
descriptions, cash in advance please. That reminds me, maybe Bubbles Ben and
Rick Warren can go into business together, helping loanowners get a government
guaranteed mortgage on their place in heaven.

That's a very rational and concise description that's by far the most accurate that I've ever heard.

curious2 says

There you have it in a nutshell. SSRIs have been shown to double the risk of suicidality, and telling people they're being prayed for has also been shown to be counterproductive. Also I can't help wondering if the son might have been gay, since he was the youngest and therefore statistically the most likely to be gay; having a famously anti-gay religious huckster for a father can't have been easy.

I missed the part in the article that detailed what medications he was on, can you quote if for me? There always has to be a dark boogeyman in your life. SSRI's, being possibly gay, prayer. So based on the extensive information available in the article documenting his life and mental illness how long, in your learned expert opinion, would he have lived without all these bad influences? It's really sad he didn't know you were available to give him the information he needed to live a full and happy life.

Maybe he was just mentally ill and simply couldn't cope no matter what. Nah, couldn't be. Shit doesn't just happen in your world, there always has to be something to blame.

bob2356 says

There always has to be a dark boogeyman in your life.

No Toxo Bob, there really doesn't. In fact, I hadn't missed you at all. And besides, you can't even tell my life from Rin's, MMR's, and who knows how many others you've mixed together in your narcotics-addled memory. You can read elsewhere about the counterproductive effects of intercessory prayer, for example NIH. The OP article mentions that Matthew was Rick's youngest son; you can read at the NIH about the increased likelihood of younger sons being gay, and you can read about Rick Warren's anti-gay history by following the links on ThinkProgress. Ask your wife what meds she would prescribe for someone with Matthew Warren's complaints, especially if she were still allowed to practice in this country where patients ask for them by name after seeing them advertised on TV, and doctors who prescribe them get "gifts" from the manufacturers.

I don't want to get into the religious aspect of this conversation, I will say though that Rick Warren and his church help lots of people locally, and abroad (they have the largest charitable missions organization in Orange County).

But I have to comment on the how the U.S treats mental illness. Prescription drugs are some of the most dangerous mind altering substances you can allow into your body. They were directly responsible for Batman Rises killer, and Connecticut school killer, both of whom were on some serious prescription drugs. Yet no one is outraged or placing blame at the foot of BigPharm. Maybe it's because they can openly buy politicians without blinking.

I'm pretty sure my name is now black listed and marked for death, luckily 6 other Gorans live in the Greater Los Angeles Area, so they'll have to come and kill all of us.

Goran_K says

no one is outraged or placing blame at the foot of BigPharm. Maybe it's because they can openly buy politicians without blinking.

Some of us are outraged by it, and more people should be. PhRMA buys politicians and the commercial news - count the ads - and controls an army of credentialed prescribers and the very institutions that credential them.

It's a shame that a young man's tragic death gives some of you sad people liberty to put down someone's religion.

MsBennet says

It's a shame that a young man's tragic death gives some of you sad people liberty to put down someone's religion.

What was it he said that so troubles you?

curious2 says

Some of us are outraged by it, and more people should be. PhRMA buys politicians and the commercial news - count the ads - and controls an army of credentialed prescribers and the very institutions that credential them.

Exactly my sentiments. BigPharm can run their ads, and blatantly state the side effects to a soothing melody, with a woman running through a field of tall grass, looking happy, and no one questions it. BigPharm makes the NAR look like school children when it comes to mixing crime and politics.

curious2 says

There you have it in a nutshell. SSRIs have been shown to double the risk of suicidality

I ended up in the hospital with suicidal thoughts thanks to SSRIs.

I have also had panic attacks and general anxiety thanks to SSRIs. They are dangerous, mind-altering drugs.

Curious, why did you use my misfortune as part of a personal attack on me in a recent Religion discussion? I thought making fun of mental illness was more of a "red state" pastime.

freak80 says

Curious, why did you use my misfortune as part of a personal attack on me in a recent Religion discussion?

Personal attack? I called your emergency hospitalization "alarming", which it was, and said "I hope your recent progress will endure," which I hope it will.