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drudometkin
2013 Apr 21, 9:54pm
had to work for free for a long time to learn my trade(internship) because that's all I was worth when I was just a starting out.
Bullshit, good buddy. Your time is the single-most valuable resource you posses, in as much as you can posses such a thing. Anyone who shows up to do some work on time, ready to put in an honest days work should be remunerated on some basic level for their time and dependability. I say this as business owner with employees that I have to train and hone into serious professionals. I don't want anyone showing up at my yoghurt shop or dent repair biz who is willing to work for free. What kinda psychos would I get showing up for interviews?
You are a smart business man, why do you need the government to tell you what you need to pay your employees?
You are a smart business man, why do you need the government to tell you what
you need to pay your employees?
Who are we going to sell our products to if we pay our workers Phillipine wages?
Oh I forgot - we all own private jet manufacturers so our customer base will be unaffected by loss of customer income.
tatupu70
2013 Apr 21, 10:22pm
You are a smart business man, why do you need the government to tell you what
you need to pay your employees?
Are you under the impression that the minimum wage was established to "help" businesses figure out what wages they should pay? Let me dispel you of that notion.
zzyzzx
2013 Apr 21, 11:04pm
Who feeds them after they work 50 hours a week for $3.50 an hour because there's no minimum wage?
Won't happen because there is no state that has a minimum wage that low.
drudometkin
2013 Apr 21, 11:46pm
had to work for free for a long time to learn my trade(internship) because that's all I was worth when I was just a starting out.
Bullshit, good buddy. Your time is the single-most valuable resource you posses, in as much as you can posses such a thing. Anyone who shows up to do some work on time, ready to put in an honest days work should be remunerated on some basic level for their time and dependability. I say this as business owner with employees that I have to train and hone into serious professionals. I don't want anyone showing up at my yoghurt shop or dent repair biz who is willing to work for free. What kinda psychos would I get showing up for interviews?
Why do you need to government telling you whats the minimum you can pay? You are a smart business man, and can figure out what works for you and your business.
Nah, none of the companies we own, or work for, or invest our 401k in, sell anything to someone making minimum wage.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lower-minimum-wage-opinion-100000586.html
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- A minimum wage does more harm than good, and yet, we continue to hear from well-intended people that we should raise the minimum wage.
The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 was to increase the minimum wage of American Samoa's workers 50 cents per year until the minimum wage was equal to the rest of United States.
As a result, some American Samoa's workers received an increase in 2009; however, shortly after, workers were laid off and unemployment increased to around 20%.
After realizing the impact of the minimum-wage increase, Obama then signed a wage increase delay until 2015. That also happens to be after Obama leaves office.
The U.S. Government Accountability Office reviewed the results of raising the minimum wage and found employment decreased as a result. For anyone who understands economics, this should not come as a surprise.
The impact on American Samoa workers may not match the thesis of raising the minimum wage effectively, but it does fit in reality well. Sadly, reality doesn't curb the desire for proponents to provide all sorts half-cocked reasons to push forward.
Proponents usually offer two main reasons why the working poor will be better off if the government decides for them what they should receive for wages.
The first reason is that you can't raise a family on minimum wage. After adding in all the government programs available, I'm not sure that argument holds water, but let's assume it's true for a moment.
Nader's argument assumes that everyone including an entry-level position at McDonald's and Wal-Mart should be able to earn enough to raise a family right from the start. Never mind a lack of skills or work history, in his mind if you're punched in on the clock, you should be able to start a family. The price consequences for consumers should be obvious.
The second argument is that wages should be set at an arbitrary "dignified" level. Again, this type of argument skirts around logic and tries to create an emotional reaction. From a government point of view, there should be nothing dignified or undignified about any wage amount. Someone is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay. Proponents forget that having a job, learning new skills, and self-improving are more dignified than the unemployment line.
What proponents actually need is Santa to be real. The only problem is that Santa isn't true, and there is no such thing as a free lunch. I think if we can work around the lack of Santa and free lunches, the minimum wage plan may have merits.
As long as we live in a world that doesn't include free lunches, the reality of a minimum wage is zero benefit for those earning it, and a negative benefit for everyone else. This isn't a zero sum game, and the amount of wealth available isn't static, it's dynamic. The history of central planning destroying wealth never seems to both those that advocate for it. They continue to focus on positive indications of success.
Nader points to a poll about Chicago and the raising of the minimum wage there. According to the study, a dollar increase in the minimum wage results in $2,800 of additional consumer spending. What Nader fails to point out is higher prices as a consequence for the increase in the minimum wage. Santa doesn't bring the extra $2,800 per year; consumers have to pay above market rates for the items they buy to make it happen.
Remember, this isn't a zero sum game, and higher costs will result in reduced demand. Lower demand is another way to say less employment. Job losses cause the gross domestic product (GDP) to decrease. In other words, a smaller pie to divide up.
If you want a higher standard of living for everyone, and I think we all do, a better option is to create a business-friendly environment that increases, not decreases, the demand for labor. A true increase in demand will increase the free market's rate for unskilled labor and create greater opportunity for the working poor.
Lastly, have you noticed the Naders of the world don't use sport icons as their comparison? It's harder to create an emotional response from people that may like the athlete. Logically, it makes for a better argument, but the last thing proponents for central planning want is for reason to enter into the debate.
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