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puhim says

Bigsby says

And there I was thinking that astronauts just popped out of the space station to their local farmers' market.

Asshole.

Yes, you seem to be.

puhim says

Bigsby says

The point is that a good diet doesn't need to be supplemented by a mountain of vitamin pills.

actually your wrong, however nobody is claiming you should take a mountain of anything.

But clamming vitamins do nothing is a JOKE!

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

robertoaribas says

puhim says

Stop talking utter drivel.

yes, that is Pukehim's job!!!

oooh I'm, so insulted you Douche bag drivel puker.

I see your still not capable of an original thought Robert.

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

My only claim is Vitamins are worth the money unlike so called pre-programmed followers on this thread.

So shut shut your pie hole.

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

Listen you fool, I know you cannot follow a thread, but clearly several of you here disagree with taking Vitamins.

Your a joke.

Do you know how to read?

Come'on Bigsby, don't you get it?

S/he's using parody to emphasize the point that we're just not so Hip and Clever to do in that manner.

That's why I clicked like! on the comment about bending over (yes we vitamin-eaters all get regular blood tests). puhim is a funny genius!

puhim says

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

My only claim is Vitamins are worth the money unlike so called pre-programmed followers on this thread.

So shut shut your pie hole.

I didn't know med school enrolled eight-year-olds.

puhim says

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

Listen you fool, I know you cannot follow a thread, but clearly several of you here disagree with taking Vitamins.

Your a joke.

Disagree with taking supplements. There's a difference.

Bigsby says

puhim says

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

My only claim is Vitamins are worth the money unlike so called pre-programmed followers on this thread.

So shut shut your pie hole.

I didn't know med school enrolled eight-year-olds.

I didn't know dick heads grew on trees either. Fucking moron.

If only Dr's can tell you anything Bigsby, LOL Your fucked.

Go dig a hole and bury yourself now, save them the trouble.

Make sure you have a donors card on your DL, that should expedite it.

puhim says

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

My only claim is Vitamins are worth the money unlike so called pre-programmed followers on this thread.

So shut shut your pie hole.

Right. So you are anti-establishment if you take vitamin supplements? That must explain all the adverts and rows and rows of them in supermarkets and pharmacies. Rebellious stuff indeed.

puhim says

If only Dr's can tell you anything Bigsby, LOL Your fucked.

Go dig a hole and bury yourself now, save them the trouble.

Make sure you have a donors card on your DL, that should expedite it.

You said you are training to be a doctor, did you not? You're right for about the first time though - anyone listening to you would be fucked.
puhim says

Bigsby says

puhim says

Bigsby says

Nobody is claiming that, so the only person making a joke of themselves is you.

My only claim is Vitamins are worth the money unlike so called pre-programmed followers on this thread.

So shut shut your pie hole.

I didn't know med school enrolled eight-year-olds.

I didn't know dick heads grew on trees either. Fucking moron.

They don't, though they do seem to appear on forums pretending to go to med school.

Bigbsy, like I said

B.A.C.A.H. says

If someone was an employee at a teaching hospital, janitor security guard orderly or whatever, or even a patient at one, s/he was at a Medical School.

If I had to guess, I'd say Bigsby and puhim are sitting around at an outdoor cafe somewhere by Cannery Row having fun with putting one over on us while they're getting their nourishment from some pitchers and consuming some vitamins in their tapas.

But puhim is more clever (and so also more effective) than Bigsby (or me) at making tovarichpeter's original point!

B.A.C.A.H. says

But puhim is more clever (and so also more effective) than Bigsby (or me) at making tobarvich'a original point!

That's right keep taking those med's

Bigsby says

You said you are training to be a doctor, did you not? You're right for about the first time though - anyone listening to you would be fucked.

You did say you had AIDS right or was it cancer?

Oh that's right you can't think for yourself. You've said as much over and over and over again, you are nothing more than a pre-programmed ZOMBIE!

Keep clinging to that TREE! Dumbass!

B.A.C.A.H. says

Bigbsy, like I said

B.A.C.A.H. says

If someone was an employee at a teaching hospital, janitor security guard orderly or whatever, or even a patient at one, s/he was at a Medical School.

If I had to guess, I'd say Bigsby and puhim are sitting around at an outdoor cafe somewhere by Cannery Row having fun with putting one over on us while they're getting their nourishment from some pitchers and consuming some vitamins in their tapas.

Unfortunately not.

Bigsby says

Right. So you are anti-establishment if you take vitamin supplements? That must explain all the adverts and rows and rows of them in supermarkets and pharmacies. Rebellious stuff indeed.

Don't be stupid, Save our money you don't need Vitamins, it's in the food!

Why do you think they sell Vitamins at a Supermarket in the first place? Shouldn't the food have it?

Idiots! Look around you! Wake the fuck up!

Hmm Paul Offit wrote the article.

This is an interesting report on Paul Offit July 25, 2008

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500690_162-4296175.html

Paul Offit responds to Sharyl Attkisson immediately in 2008.....most of the response was retracted due to discrepancies in his attack of Attkisson

Orange county register publishes retraction of Offit's response......3 years later when people forgot about it.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/correction-296910-dated-entitled.html

Unsubstantiated statements include: Offit’s claim that Attkisson “lied”; and Offit’s claim that CBS News sent a “mean spirited and vituperative” email “over the signature of Sharyl Attkisson” stating “You’re clearly hiding something.” In fact, the OC Register has no evidence to support those claims. Further, Offit told the OC Register that he provided CBS News “the details of his relationship, and Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia’s relationship, with pharmaceutical company Merck.” However, documents provided by CBS News indicate Offit did not disclose his financial relationships with Merck, including a $1.5 million Hilleman chair he sits in that is co-sponsored by Merck. According to the CBS News’ documentation recently reviewed by the OC Register, the network requested (but Offit did not disclose) the entire profile of his professional financial relationships with pharmaceutical companies including: The amount of compensation he’d received from which companies in speaking fees; and pharmaceutical consulting relationships and fees. The CBS News documentation indicates Offit also did not disclose his share of past and future royalties for the Merck vaccine he co-invented. To the extent that unsubstantiated and/or false claims appeared in the OC Register and have been repeated by other organizations and individuals, the OC Register wishes to express this clarification for their reference and for the record.

I find it hilarious that those pre-programmed fools try to bash me by saying I know nothing about Food or Vitamins since I am no Dr. LMFAO!!!

Idiots.

Seriously you idiots need to share a brain!

Dr's don't know shit about nutrition.

When a Dr needs information about food he will ask a NUTRITIONIST!

If you need some drugs then ask a Dr.

Only a Dr's knows anything so you shouldn't talk about these things !!! Seriously wow!!! CRAZY !

puhim says

Bigsby says

Right. So you are anti-establishment if you take vitamin supplements? That must explain all the adverts and rows and rows of them in supermarkets and pharmacies. Rebellious stuff indeed.

Don't be stupid, Save our money you don't need Vitamins, it's in the food!

Why do you think they sell Vitamins at a Supermarket in the first place? Shouldn't the food have it?

Idiots! Look around you! Wake the fuck up!

They sell them because they make the companies a substantial profit or did you think they did it for charitable purposes?

The guy basically implied that Linus Pauling wife died due to vitamin C poisoning while failing to point out that Dr. Pauling lived until he was 94 years of age.

In May 1980, during an interview at Oregon State University, Linus Pauling was asked, "Does vitamin C have any side effects on long-term use of, let's say, gram quantities?" Pauling's answer was quick and decisive. "No," he replied.

Seven months later, his wife was dead of stomach cancer. In 1994, Linus Pauling died of prostate cancer.

MMR says

Pauling died of prostate cancer.

Maybe it was from Fish OIL supplements! That's the latest claim!

Bigsby says

They sell them because they make the companies a substantial profit or did you think they did it for charitable purposes?

Which is bigger Pharmaceutical industry or the Vitamin industry?

Which is known to be totally insidious and regularly spreads misinformation? Here's a hint not the Vitamin business!

Dumbass!

puhim says

Bigsby says

They sell them because they make the companies a substantial profit or did you think they did it for charitable purposes?

Which is bigger Pharmaceutical industry or the Vitamin industry?

Which is known to be totaly insidious? Here's a hint not the Vitamin business!

Dumbass!

They are both out to make a profit, so what? And I'd be bloody worried if the vitamin business was bigger than the pharmaceutical industry.

Bigsby says

They are both out to make a profit, so what? And I'd be bloody worried if the vitamin business was bigger than the pharmaceutical industry.

Do you really believe this shit you are shoveling?>

http://www.who.int/trade/glossary/story073/en/index.html

The global pharmaceuticals market is worth US$300 billion a year, a figure expected to rise to US$400 billion within three years

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H04

The pharmaceutical industry has traditionally supported Republican candidates. But as Democrats have seized Congress and the White House in recent cycles, industry advocates have steadily become more generous toward traditional foes. These companies’ contributions split evenly during the 2008 cycle, after the GOP received two-thirds of drug company contributions in the run-up to the 2006 cycle.

And how exactly does that post counter anything I said? Puhim in big business funds politicians shocker. Call The Washington Post.

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n01.shtml

High-Dose Vitamin C Therapy Proven Effective

"My doctor doesn't believe in vitamins." Since when is medicine based on belief?

(OMNS, January 5, 2010) The medical literature has virtually ignored 75 years of physician reports and laboratory and clinical studies on successful high-dose vitamin C therapy.

Effective doses are high doses, often 1,000 times more than the US Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) or Daily Reference Intake (DRI). It is a cornerstone of medical science that dose affects treatment outcome. This premise is accepted with pharmaceutical drug therapy, but not with vitamin therapy. Most unsuccessful vitamin C research has used inadequate, low doses. Low doses do not get clinical results.

Investigators using vitamin C in high doses have consistently reported excellent results. High doses were advocated almost immediately after ascorbic acid was isolated by Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, M.D. (1893-1986). Notable early medical pioneers of high-dose vitamin C (ascorbate) therapy are Claus Washington Jungeblut, M.D. (1898-1976); William J. McCormick, M.D. (1880-1968); and Frederick R. Klenner, M.D. (1907-1984). More recently, important work has been published by Hugh D. Riordan, M.D. (1932-2005) and Robert F. Cathcart III, M.D. (1932-2007).

It Was 75 Years Ago Today

Dr. Jungeblut, Professor of Bacteriology at Columbia University, first published on vitamin C as prevention and treatment for polio, in 1935. (1) Also in 1935, Jungeblut showed that vitamin C inactivated diphtheria toxin. (2) By 1937, Jungeblut demonstrated that ascorbate inactivated tetanus toxin. (3) Between 1943 and 1947, Dr. Klenner, a specialist in diseases of the chest, cured 41 cases of viral pneumonia with vitamin C. By 1946, Dr. McCormick showed how vitamin C prevents and also cures kidney stones; by 1957, how it fights cardiovascular disease. Beginning in the 1960s, Dr. Cathcart used large doses of vitamin C to treat pneumonia, hepatitis, and eventually AIDS. For more than three decades, beginning in 1975, Dr. Riordan and his team have successfully used large doses of intravenous vitamin C against cancer. The use of doses of tens of thousands of milligrams of vitamin C per day may be the most unacknowledged successful research in medicine.

Heard this one before? "If vitamin C was that good, doctors would tell their patients to take a lot of it." It is surprising how many physicians have done precisely that.

What's that? Your doctor still doesn't?

Why? Decades of physicians' reports and controlled studies support the use of very large doses of vitamin C.

References:

(1) Jungeblut CW. Inactivation of poliomyelitis virus by crystalline vitamin C (ascorbic acid). J Exper Med 1935. 62:317-321.

(2) Jungeblut CW, Zwemer RL. Inactivation of diphtheria toxin in vivo and in vitro by crystalline vitamin C (ascorbic acid). Proc Soc Exper Biol Med 1935; 32:1229-34.

(3) Jungeblut CW. Inactivation of tetanus toxin by crystalline vitamin C (l-ascorbic acid). J Immunol 1937;33:203-214.

For More Information About:

Dr. CW Jungeblut: Claus Washington Jungeblut, M.D.: Polio pioneer; ascorbate advocate. J Orthomolecular Med, 2006. Vol 21, No 2, p 102-106. http://www.doctoryourself.com/jungeblut.html

In addition to (1) above, Dr. Jungeblut's other polio papers include:

Jungeblut CW. Vitamin C therapy and prophylaxis in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exp Med, 1937. 65: 127-146.
Jungeblut CW. Further observations on vitamin C therapy in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exper Med, 1937. 66: 459-477.
Jungeblut CW, Feiner RR. Vitamin C content of monkey tissues in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exper Med, 1937. 66: 479-491.
Jungeblut CW. A further contribution to vitamin C therapy in experimental poliomyelitis. J Exper Med, 1939. 70:315-332.
Jungeblut's research published in the Journal of Experimental Medicine is available for free access at http://www.jem.org/contents-by-date.0.shtml

Dr. FR Klenner: Hidden in plain sight: the pioneering work of Frederick Robert Klenner, M.D. J Orthomolecular Med, 2007. Vol 22, No 1, p 31-38. http://www.doctoryourself.com/klennerbio.html and http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2005/fklenner.html

Dr. WJ McCormick: The pioneering work of William J. McCormick, M.D. J Orthomolecular Med, 2003. Vol 18, No 2, p 93-96. http://www.doctoryourself.com/mccormick.html and http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2004/wmccormick.html

Dr. RF Cathcart: http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2008/cathcart.html; http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html and http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_cathcart.html

Dr. HD Riordan: http://orthomolecular.org/hof/2005/hriordan.html; http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n09.shtml; http://www.doctoryourself.com/riordan1.html and http://www.doctoryourself.com/biblio_riordan.html

Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine

Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

Editorial Review Board:

Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.
Damien Downing, M.D.
Michael Gonzalez, D.Sc., Ph.D.
Steve Hickey, Ph.D.
James A. Jackson, PhD
Bo H. Jonsson, MD, Ph.D
Thomas Levy, M.D., J.D.
Jorge R. Miranda-Massari, Pharm.D.
Erik Paterson, M.D.
Gert E. Shuitemaker, Ph.D.

IV vitamin C drip improves quality of life in breast cancer patients post-chemotherapy. A cohort study

http://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/25/6/983.short

IV vitamin C drip helps with pain in treatment of shingles

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3560828/

Phase I Evaluation of Intravenous Ascorbic Acid in Combination with Gemcitabine and Erlotinib in Patients with Metastatic Pancreatic Cancer

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00280-013-2179-9

This is not proof that vitamin C is effective in treating cancer, but it shows that it is well-tolerated in cancer patients and is a call for phase II clinical trials.

If what Offit was saying was true, why are they still conducting trials on vitamin C as an adjunct therapy for cancer?

The rich and famous do this weekly

The latest must-have procedure of the wellness-obsessed is a customised intravenous vitamin cocktail.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/youre-so-vein-20130710-2ppye.html

While IV vitamin therapy isn't new - 50 years ago, American doctor John Myers treated fatigue and depression with his injectable ''Myers' Cocktail'' of B6, B12, and magnesium - the practice is also enjoying a resurgence with private clinics in Sydney and Melbourne offering tailored treatments for an assortment of chronic and seasonal ailments

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource.

In 2012, more than half of all Americans took some form of vitamin supplements.

I love this quote from the Atlantic!

What they don't tell you is, people who take vitamins don't see physicians.

puhim says

The rich and famous do this weekly

The latest must-have procedure of the wellness-obsessed is a customised intravenous vitamin cocktail.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/youre-so-vein-20130710-2ppye.html

Yes, we must do exactly what a few rich and famous people do because...

puhim says

B.A.C.A.H. says

But puhim is more clever (and so also more effective) than Bigsby (or me) at making tobarvich'a original point!

That's right keep taking those med's

laughter! The best medicine. Thanks, "doc"!

Don't know what the article's agenda is, but it is a good example of not taking a random journalist at face value.

Pauling did not advocate mega dose therapy for anything but Vitamin C.

He postulated that people varied in their ability to uptake and utilize various vitamins optimally. He distinguished between the minimal dose necessary to prevent symptoms of deficiency, and the optimal dose, which would be a larger dose than one simply adequate to prevent obvious pathology.

He further speculated that this utilization would occur roughly along a bell shaped curve, as do many phenomena in biochemistry and genetics i.e. there would be a broad band of people who would do fine with a basic preventative dose, there would be a smaller percentage who needed very little, and at the other end, a percentage of low utilizers who could use a much larger dose of a given vitamin.

Since nobody knows exactly where they stand in relation to these various bell shaped curves for all of the known vitamins, he stated that you should go vitamin free for a while and titrate i.e. increase your dose of a single vitamin until you feel better and then record that, then start over again and titrate another vitamin until you know for yourself which doses might be optimal. That way, you can develop your own dosages and profile, and for some people, they might wind up taking quite a bit of some vitamins or very little of others.

I wonder if that journalist even read what Pauling wrote, or cared, he just seems to be intent on attacking the vitamin industry.

Also, the populations that do and don't take vitamins might be different. Sick or unhealthy people might already be inclined to take more vitamins, whereas people who are healthy and have a sense of well being already might not.

At any rate, the article does not pass the BS sniff test.

puhim says

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

So even when a peer reviewed post is staring you directly in the face you still laugh.

puhim says

puhim says

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

So even when a peer reviewed post is staring you directly in the face you still laugh.

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

ok try this dimwitts

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/search_results.shtml?cx=012934609838436511334%3Aeuo7oo38sqc&cof=FORID%3A11&q=vitamin+deficiency&sa=Search&siteurl=orthomolecular.org%2Flibrary%2Fjom%2Findex.shtml&ref=www.orthomolecular.org%2Fresources%2Fomns%2F&ss=10479j15451683j26

pick your paper, everything from cholesterol to Alzheimers Deficiency triggers caused by a lack of Vitamins

Nearly 2000 peer reviewed articles

About 1,980 results

Bigsby says

I laugh when you reference research from the 1930s and an alternative medicine news service. It's hardly the BMJ, is it?

Realy, you dumbass

http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/editors.shtml