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A reasonable person would see that it's OK to let his statements given to police be admitted into evidence considering the prosecution thought the interviews would establish GZ's guilt.

You're making a claim of a conspiracy theory, from Angela Corey, the judge, prosecutor and to everyone in between on the state side. The claim is that they all intentionally wanted GZ to be found not guilty.

I don't find that reasonable or factual.

foxmannumber1 says

A reasonable person would see that it's OK to let his statements given to
police be admitted into evidence considering the prosecution thought the
interviews would establish GZ's guilt.

A smart prosecutor won't admit his statements simply because without GZ testifying, the prosecutor never gets the chance to challenge any part of the statement.

foxmannumber1 says

You're making a claim of a conspiracy theory, from Angela Corey, the judge,
prosecutor and to everyone in between on the state side. The claim is that they
all intentionally wanted GZ to be found not guilty.

Let's see, 2 judges and 1 prosecutor recused themselves, and then she chose to skip a grad jury for a capital crime, even though she had that option, and charge him herself. Little to no forensic eveidence because the crime scene wasn't secured. Botched autopsy by a political appointee/crony. Gee, what could go wrong???

And, GZ's defense attys had given political money to the judge and she was OK with that, didn't bat an eye over it.

She should have charged GZ with a lesser crime solely because there was absolutely no forethought/premeditation to his actions. I don't know Florida's specific satute on that, but am pretty certain that's an element or qualifier for that charge. A bottom of the class, state-school law grad would even know that.

All that talk sounds like they didn't have a case to begin with.

Possible botched crime scene evidence, police interview with triggerman supporting a self defense claim, no grand jury, special prosecutor from outside Sanford. Makes you wonder why they did anything at all.

Could it have been political pressure from disgruntled minorities and threats of violence from an easily agitated race that brought this case to trial instead of evidence?

foxmannumber1 says

All that talk sounds like they didn't have a case to begin with.

Possible botched crime scene evidence, police interview with triggerman
supporting a self defense claim, no grand jury, special prosecutor from outside
Sanford. Makes you wonder why they did anything at all.

Could it have been political pressure from disgruntled minorities and threats
of violence from an easily agitated race that brought this case to trial instead
of evidence?

Duh, and it was an appeasement to the angry crowd. She knew that he would walk on those charges, and also that the lack of evidence and police work were going to make a conviction of a lesser charge hard, but possible. There's way to many paranoid and bigoted right wing boomers that vote in every election that she was afraid of. Black voter turnout is usually low, especially in the lower economic groups.

The pathetic actions and lack of work by the police is what I thought was disgusting. If TM was white, their actions would have been different. A unarmed, dead 17 year old should raise a lot of questions and demand answers. BS answers by GZ without verifying/challenging every detail of them, isn't how a society governed by the rule of law works.

Another rule of law is don't punch people in the face. If you choose to punch people in the face, don't get on top of them to beat them some more and prevent their escape.

In doing so, you may find that the person you're beating and preventing retreat will defend themselves with deadly force.

foxmannumber1 says

Another rule of law is don't punch people in the face. If you choose to punch
people in the face, don't get on top of them to beat them some more and prevent
their escape.

Well, that's one side of the story, and unfortunately the only side anybody will ever hear, because the other person is dead.
So, what do you think prompted TM to supposedly punch GZ then? And how is it that GZ was close enough to supposedly be punched, and then supposedly be on the bottom of the two?

TM's love for fighting("he didn't bleed enough, only the nose" after a 3 round fight) and GZ being a single pudgy male who was paying attention to TM. Paying attention to blacks is 'disrespecting" them. For TM to gain back his respect, he would have to hurt GZ. TM was also about to get high considering his 7-11 acquisitions. Any interaction with someone else could prevent that from happening.

TM hid behind the 3' tall hedge bushes along every townhouse in the dark/rain. GZ probably got within 10-15 feet of TM before he knew it.

GZ immediately went to the bottom, as he went down from the sucker punch to the nose.

foxmannumber1 says

For TM to gain back his respect, he would have to hurt GZ. TM was also about to
get high considering his 7-11 acquisitions. Any interaction with someone else
could prevent that from happening.

lol, yea that's some creative culture intrepretation, too bad it doesn't make any sense or even better, is that it's true.

foxmannumber1 says

TM was also about to get high considering his 7-11 acquisitions.

Again, more pulling of some really ludicrous and unfounded thoughts from your ass.

foxmannumber1 says

TM hid behind the 3' tall hedge bushes along every townhouse in the
dark/rain. GZ probably got within 10-15 feet of TM before he knew it.

GZ immediately went to the bottom, as he went down from the sucker punch to
the nose.

Well this much isn't in question, because GZ even admitted as such. He(GZ) got out of his car and followed TM, for whatever reason, as TM was walking away. Then, for whatever reason and how, GZ is obviously close enough to supposedly be struck by TM, which had reason to be startled/scared considering he was being stalked/followed.

The rest is mostly BS-cover-your-ass stuff by GZ to keep from going to prison for the rest of his life. A normal and thorough police investigation would have probably led to a different recomendation and charges, along with a conviction. Not only were most of the LE officers involved lazy, inexperienced-incompetent, but some of their statements never really showed any expediency or steadfast efforts on their part. The lazy morons didn't even bother to try and identify TM other than field fp samples, and only figured out(accidentally) who he was when his dad filed a missing person report.

Apparently a really shitty canvas of the area was done. That's after they didn't even secure the whole scene for evidence, and then only did that well after the incident and after the fact.

Pathetic at best, and the chief was to take the fall for some lazy and worthless officers, considering that he'd only been there a year. There were something like 400 calls in the area for the previous year prior to the incident, and yet they PD seemed as though they were ho-hum about the incident and following investigation.

upisdown says

lol, yea that's some creative culture intrepretation, too bad it doesn't make any sense or even better, is that it's true.

Black violence rarely makes sense to normal white people. Spend some time with teenage blacks at TM's high school and you'll see this irrational and violent behavior all the time.

What evidence do you think the police would have got from a more thorough canvas of the area? More rounds GZ fired? The blunt TM bought from the 3 guys at 7-11? TM's weed/cough medicine? Blood from GZ when he bashed his own front and rear head to create a self defense claim?

foxmannumber1 says

Black violence rarely makes sense to normal white people. Spend some time
with teenage blacks at TM's high school and you'll see this irrational and
violent behavior all the time.

100% right. And no civil free society can allow this behavior to become "acceptable". (kinda the same way public acts of erotic behavior between male sodmites is shunned in all good cultures)

foxmannumber1 says

Black violence rarely makes sense to normal white people. Spend some time
with teenage blacks at TM's high school and you'll see this irrational and
violent behavior all the time.

What evidence do you think the police would have got from a more thorough
canvas of the area? More rounds GZ fired? The blunt TM bought from the 3 guys at
7-11? TM's weed/cough medicine? Blood from GZ when he bashed his own front and
rear head to create a self defense claim?

lol, do you just make that shit up as you go? You no more know what black youth/teens do than Ted Nugent, as you've never lived in the hood, and sure as hell never been in it after dark.

You know how I know that? Because EVERY damned discription that you give about blacks or what they do, is straight from some white-right wing soundbite. Practically everthing that you've posted is pure BS when it comes to the habits/culture of blacks.

That's why it's so disgustingly funny but yet pathetic, because you don't even know what you don't even know.