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Capn Krunch's supposition is that everyone will be visiting the MD on the first of January or going to the hospital, that the bills will be processed and people will be in arrears by March 1.

The sky will fall and the earth will stop turning and all of the rainbows will turn to black on March 1st, if only because an anonymous poster on the interwebs says so.

I'm selling out on tinfoil hats if anyone wants to buy one. I'll be raising the price as March 1 sneaks up on us

Yeah Ellie, if Obamacare is so great, then why did Nancy Pelosi answer every question with "don't worry about it, it's already baked in."

Everything was already baked into those high premium payments, and the Coinsurance payments that would equal or greater to any classic healthcare costs with out insurance at all.

"It's already baked IN!"

elliemae says

January or going to the hospital, that the bills will be processed and people will be in arrears by March 1.

You know Ellie, I have tried like hell, I've have searched and searched and stared at those hospital bills until my eyeballs bled.

There just isn't any undo button.

People wont have to wait until a judge says they are bankrupt, they will damn fucking well know their health need wrote a check that their ass can't Cash. As soon as the bills start comming. Which usually takes 3 months or more for the suspious ones that you have no way to deny and the Insurance company has no way of verifying. The ones that are a given like the lab and clinic fees, will be in you mailbox before you drive home from the clinic. It's the suspicious ones that needs more time to confuse the justification.

The wife just got a "Collections" bill for a bill we've never seen in our life, for a procedure that we were most certain our insurance would cover, but yet we saw over $3500 in bills on it. She paid them all, and was ontop of every bill that she was sent.
We got a 5 day notice for a bill we've never seen from a collection agency.

The horrors will have even greater horrors associated with them.

Don't take my word for it. But I wouldn't want to admit you work in the Healthcare industry by May 2014, it just wouldn't be a proper thing to say in polite company.

And even worse to admit you voted for Obama TWICE.

Homeboy says

Nitpick much?

Homeboy says

No, I don't consider myself an expert by any means, but I obviously know more than you do, since you failed to come up with a better guess that made any kind of sense.

I don't have to have a better guess. I simply have to possess sufficient reasoning powers to understand why, with each post, you appear to be an idiot.

We've been beating this dead horse for the better part of a week. We can continue to beat it, but it's still gonna be dead and you're still gonna appear to be an idiot.

But it's been fun.

Emergency rooms won't tell you that, with over $1 million/year in revenue to be gained, they might take custody of your child. "The battle over Justina’s future was one of five cases involving Children’s in the last 18 months where a disputed diagnosis led to parents losing custody or being threatened with that extreme step." With "no lifetime caps," each kid is worth over $60 million. Justina has been stuck in a locked ward for 10 months, and will remain locked there through Christmas and into the New Year. "Thanks, Obamacare."

Affordable Healthcare has nothing to do with this case - and there are always examples of the medical "professionals" who make decisions on behalf of a child. A few years back there was one in Utah where the child was moved out of state because the treatment plan was chemo family didn't want it.

Sure, you can attempt to link it to the lack of lifetime cap, but you can link pretty much any type of care to that. The medical community makes decisions about the care someone should receive and some asshole runs with it.

You can do better than that, curious2. Every article about our fucked up medical system can be the fault of Affordable Healthcare - even though it hasn't kicked in yet.

elliemae says

even though it hasn't kicked in yet.

That particular hospital is in Massachusetts, where Obamacare has been operating for several years, dba Romneycare. In any event, Obamacare begins next month, so you can't seriously argue that the decisionmakers in this case aren't factoring it into their calculations. I never claimed that Obamacare all by itself created every single problem, it merely worsened an already bad system. The hospital corporations that have figured out how to manipulate Romneycare for maximum revenue can now take those models nationwide, thanks to Obamacare. I encourage you to read The Good Nurse, about a serial killer who was moved from hospital to hospital like a priest molesting children in one parish after another, to get a glimpse into the psychology of the people who wrote Obamacare. At least dozens, and probably hundreds, of patients were murdered because executives at every hospital that employed that serial killer chose to protect their own financial interests rather than patients. It's just one example of how 20% of hospital visits lead to "medical misadventures." That also happened before Obamacare, but it would be tragically naive to trust that rewarding the same executives with more money and power than ever before will somehow change their nature or their response to the same incentives.