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Dan - the Muslim/Arab world has gotten more primitive and intolerant with the advent of the internet, TV, radio. So your list is bunk.
Islamist extremists see technology and modernization as a threat and use violence to consolidate their power.
The Taliban throw acid in faces of little girls who want to go to school and learn to read.
The Commies in the Khmer Rouge killed people who had glasses because they were thought they could read (and educated) and a threat to the the "cause".
How is science, fair trade and telecommunciations going to deal with stuff like that?
Dan8267
2014 Feb 19, 6:37am
Dan - the Muslim/Arab world has gotten more primitive and intolerant with the advent of the internet, TV, radio. So your list is bunk.
Really? You took measurements? Please provide them. I want to see exactly how many units of primitiveness and intolerance have increased in the Middle East since those events along with the DateTime stamps of the measurements.
Also, what units are you using in those measurements? I want to make sure I use the same: metrics or English.
The Taliban throw acid in faces of little girls who want to go to school and learn to read.
Precisely because those girls are now threatening their power. That's proof of progress. Painful proof, but proof nonetheless. The cowards throw that acid precisely because things are changing and they are losing the battle over the suppression of women.
For the exact same reason, all the bigots have come out of the woodwork after Obama was elected president and after states started recognizing same-sex marriages. Why would the GOP hate blacky-mc-blackinstien so much when he implements all of their plans? Oh yeah, because he's still black while he does it.
How is science, fair trade and telecommunciations going to deal with stuff like that?
Same way it did in that festering backwaters of ignorance and stupidity known as America.
Really? You took measurements? Please provide them. I want to see exactly how
many units of primitiveness and intolerance have increased in the Middle East
since those events along with the DateTime stamps of the measurements
You think this stuff is in dispute?
Here is the Arab Human Development Report from the UN.
http://www.arab-hdr.org/
It documents and measures how the Arab world is falling behind the rest of the planet and regressing.
"Self-doomed to failure"
An unsparing new report by Arab scholars explains why their region lags behind so much of the world
http://www.economist.com/node/1213392
Precisely because those girls are now threatening their power. That's proof of
progress. Painful proof, but proof nonetheless.
Dan - these girls had more freedoms 20-30 years ago. How is this progress?
I repeat, any normal republican (let alone a moderate one or a democrat or a liberal) reads this thread and thinks Fort wayne is a totally moronic douchebag.
nything to avoid talking about economy, or why Obama keeps bailing out the bankers, or why Snowden ran from Obama.
FortWayne
2014 Feb 19, 7:56am
So why do you think gay peoples' lives should be meddled with and discriminated against?
Way to go prove me wrong there about your clown party priorities...
Way to continue with your cowardice. You can't even mouth the words, can you? You "god and country" rednecks want so desperately to represent manhood in America, but you, as so many of you, are just a gutless punk. C'mon. Man-up and answer the question.
There was a question in there that a normal person would care about? You think I care about gays in Russia, or actually believe they are oppressed. You think I care about stray dogs in Sochi, or homeless cats in Los Angeles? Or the one that just kills me, unfair treatment of stray dogs, man that was some piece on NPR...
You guys are hilarious, you better wait for more marching orders from your god Obama, he'll communicate his wishes to you via MSNBC. Stay tuned.
Automan Empire
2014 Feb 19, 8:13am
? You think I care
Well obviously you don't, so why don't you go yell at the kids to get off your lawn with their noise again, K?
Dan8267
2014 Feb 19, 9:09am
Dan - these girls had more freedoms 20-30 years ago. How is this progress?
Wall Street Journal: Facebook and Twitter Are Changing the Middle East
Precisely because those girls are now threatening their power. That's proof of progress. Painful proof, but proof nonetheless. The cowards throw that acid precisely because things are changing and they are losing the battle over the suppression of women.
Dan, Taliban is a modern creature. Afghanistan has been located at the crossroad of various major world cultural winds for thousands of years. It was not for nothing that the Ancient Greek King Alexander the Great married an Afghan princess. Numerous branches of Hinduism / Budhism, Christianity and Islam came and went, usually leaving behind little mountainous cantons like those in Switzerland. Any organic religion in that place has to be practical and reasonably tolerant in order to build followings locally and sustain itself in that environment, including most Islamic sects that managed to grow organically there.
Taliban is a Wahabist nightmare entirely financed by foreigners (Saudi oil money and US/Pakistan intelligence services). Its fundamentalist tract makes about as much sense to traditional muslims as snake charming pastors would seem to mainstream Christians. Just like those born-again Christian sects, Taliban anti-modernism is a reaction to modern society.
Vicente
2014 Feb 19, 3:22pm
Until the economy is perfect, only economic news should be reported. Oh yeah, and the War on Christmas. And how many babies die in abortion clinics. And how Obama bowed to a Saudi King. And most of all, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!
But nothing else. Nothing else at all!
Also that Obama takes vacations once in a great while, how dare he ??!!!!
Good catch.
FortWayne
2014 Feb 20, 12:11am
It was obvious to anyone with a highschool education that the challenge you're too yellow to answer is about gay people in general and in America specifically. So C'MON PUNK, WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION? Can you read? Can you? Can you grasp EQUAL PROTECTION? Why are you so gutless and so primitive?
Another great deal of you communist lefties, you want equality. Pretty soon you'll all be equally poor with nothing to show for it. Young fools, no brain yet, but think they know it all.
I guess we all were young once, and we all were dumb, but man we were never that stupid.
FortWayne
2014 Feb 20, 12:12am
Also that Obama takes vacations once in a great while, how dare he ??!!!!
Obama just plays golf all day long, occasionally he breaks his game to go rant about republicans. But that's really about it. He is good for nothing, like the left of the liberals.
Another great deal of you communist lefties, you want equality. Pretty soon you'll all be equally poor with nothing to show for it. Young fools, no brain yet, but think they know it all.
I guess we all were young once, and we all were dumb, but man we were never that stupid.
I've got some news for you: Calling anything that isn't totally agreeable and inline with right-leaning ideology "communist" is the most worn-out piece of nonsense in the book. Sure- McCarthy was able to succeed at doing that... until he was disgraced and basically turned into a laughing stock once enough people called out his bullshit.
Secondly, if you want to talk communism in the sense that is meant to indicate Democrats as "spreading the wealth", well I recall having a similar discussion last week over the same thing. If Democrats are spreading the wealth then what exactly do you call what the GOP has been doing for over 30 years, where a certain, highly wealthy chunk of the population is unfairly taxed a far lower rate while the bulk of the population pays more of their paychecks? Folks on the right like to go on and on about a fictional assertion that the left spreads the wealth while the GOP has in reality taken the wealth away from the bulk of the country and handily stuffed it to the top. If that's not distribution I dont know what is.
As a Liberal, it's not a situation that is first thing on my mind when I wake up every day. Yes it's a serious matter. But I don't control what is "hot news" any more than you do.
On the other hand, if this were the 1960's would you be arguing that we shouldn't report on civil rights marches and so on, because that's not about the economy which is all important? Human rights is a valid issue.
Everybody has a beef with something that is reported. I despise all the celebrity crap, but somebody else is really into it, so they make good money reporting what Bieber and Cyrus are up to right?
Sorry, but I can't buy that any so called "liberal" is on a civil rights crusade because they are friends of the LGBT folk, unless they are equally or more so, vocal about ending the war on drugs. The heinous atrocities that so many suffer thru, both south of our borders, and domestically, trump any so called inconveniencies that the gays suffer thru, by an order of magnitude many times over.
American gays are not under any type of duress, conversely, those affected by the tenacles of the WOD are treated worse than a jew in nazi germany
Dan8267
2014 Feb 20, 12:52am
trump any so called inconveniencies that the gays suffer thru, by an order of magnitude many times over.
American gays are not under any type of duress,
I watched the youtube dan, I'm just not sure what you are attempting to convey. That some individuals discriminate. There are plenty laws in place to protect against such discrimination.
The war on people that choose to use drugs is a different story. There is nothing to protect us all from the insanity that is caused BECAUSE OF BAD POLICY
I watched the youtube dan, I'm just not sure what you are attempting to convey
Bringing in an unrelated issue doesn't prove a point. The fact is that gays in this country are unfairly discriminated against and in many states do not receive the same treatment as others, just because they are gay. That is a problem. End of story.
rooemoore
2014 Feb 20, 1:16am
those affected by the tenacles of the WOD are treated worse than a jew in nazi germany
Go on...
Dan8267
2014 Feb 20, 1:17am
I watched the youtube dan, I'm just not sure what you are attempting to convey.
The ridiculousness of the statement
American gays are not under any type of duress
FortWayne
2014 Feb 20, 1:23am
You don't even respect your country's foundational ideas.
America has "Foundational ideas"?
You are something... must be related to edvard2, at least same tribe of constitutional scholars.
rooemoore
2014 Feb 20, 1:27am
America has "Foundational ideas"?
Yes, America has foundational ideas. For example, "all men are created equal".
You are something... must be related to edvard2, at least same tribe of constitutional scholars.
Thank You Wayne,
I take pride in my knowledge of the constitution and the rights it says we're all supposed to have. I take then that you too are in support of the Constitution as well?
I wasn't posting for shock value, I'm honestly looking to be informed here. But nobody has offered up any laws that discriminate against homosexuals. I agree its disgusting that some people are bigots, but they come in all shapes and sizes. Have you ever heard of the way that many on this forum, speak about republicans?
So what's the meat and potatoes here fellas
Dan8267
2014 Feb 20, 2:16am
Have you ever heard of the way that many on this forum, speak about republicans?
It's bigotry to judge a person inferior because of his or her
- skin color
- gender
- sexual orientation
- nationality
- physical deformities
- hair/eye color
- and other arbitrary and irrelevant criteria
It's valid to judge a person inferior because of his or her
- actions
-- rape
-- murder
-- robbery
-- assault
- bad values or lack of good values
-- women who go to school deserve to be scarred with acid or killed
-- slavery is good
-- Jim Crow Laws, Voter ID laws, and other voter suppression techniques are justified
-- It's OK to tax gays more and prevent them from having the same rights as straights
- what they say
-- God hate fags
-- Homosexuality is an abomination
-- Women who have abortions are dirty sluts
There is a huge difference between prejudice (pre-judging) and judging based upon a person's actions. The Republicans deserve most of the criticism levied against them by everyone. The Democrats deserve most of the criticism levied against them by true independents.
I wasn't posting for shock value, I'm honestly looking to be informed here.
Incredible. Really? Like you somehow DIDn'T know that three quarters of the state's in the US have a ban on same-sex marriages? That's the "meat and potatoes".
Hopefully you are now informed.
Same sex marriage is not a right. Its a privilige that gays are not privy to.
Let's not mince words here
I take then that you too are in support of the Constitution as well?
Most internet commenters on the Constitution are like this guy:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
In reality, if they were real constitutional experts, they wouldn't ever claim that the entirety of the gigantic parade of horrors they typically talk about is strictly the president's fault. The president has defined constitutional powers that don't allow control over many of those alleged horrors.
Same sex marriage is not a right. Its a privilige that gays are not privy to.
Ah-ha! And see, that is where you are wrong. Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act was declared unconstitutional in 2013, and hence that means that the act of banning same sex marriage is in effect- unconstitutional. So you are wrong. It is in fact a right, and the US supreme court made it as such. corntrollio says
Most internet commenters on the Constitution are like this guy:
Luckily I am not "Like that guy" see the above comments. Thanks.
Dan8267
2014 Feb 20, 2:46am
Same sex marriage is not a right. Its a privilige that gays are not privy to.
Actually, it is right, no different from interracial marriages, as protected by the 14th Amendment and upheld by the Supreme Court Case of Loving v. Virginia. The arguments made against same-sex marriages are identical to those made against interracial marriages, and the Supreme Court's responses apply equally to both.
I have nothing against gays. I have nothing against gays marrying
I just happen to agree with the premise of the thread, that it is quite the odd issue to prioritize.
Marijuana smokers are jailed by the millions. Obama could easily push to do the right thing and reschedule marijuana, where it ought to be. Non addictive, has medical benefits,,,,,and put an end to the madness. But somehow, that's on the back burner to gay marriage??? SERIOUSLY??
I have nothing against gays. I have nothing against gays marrying
I just happen to agree with the premise of the thread, that it is quite the odd issue to prioritize.
Marijuana smokers are jailed by the millions. Obama could easily push to do the right thing and reschedule marijuana, where it ought to be. Non addictive, has medical benefits,,,,,and put an end to the madness. But somehow, that's on the back burner to gay marriage??? SERIOUSLY??
The premise of this thread is nonsense to start with. Bringing up an unrelated issue isn't a valid point either. Want to bring up issues that deserve attention? How many days do you want to spend listing them all out? The comments about gay rights were addressed because it is in fact a serious issue, and it also happened to be one of the particular issues addressed in the post.
Dan8267
2014 Feb 20, 3:12am
I just happen to agree with the premise of the thread, that it is quite the odd issue to prioritize.
And what exactly does "prioritize" mean? Don't even discuss marriage equality until weed is legal?
The way our nation works is that many issues are discussed and advanced simultaneously. It would be impossible for any nation to operate one issue at a time.
In any case, gay human rights is an urgent issue because every day those rights are violated real people are harmed considerably. One wouldn't say, stop police from investigating rape cases until all murder cases are solved. One would say, abolish all anti-rape laws until we've stopped all murders from happening. So, what exactly does prioritizing mean?
I just happen to agree with the premise of the thread, that it is quite the odd issue to prioritize.
In that case, you agree that it's good thing that it is not the priority that FW suggests, just because our media (which is controlled by 5 corporations) and the blogosphere ran stories about Putins bizarre comments.
Luckily I am not "Like that guy" see the above comments. Thanks.
I've read numerous of your comments, edvard2, and appreciate them. You were not the target of that comment.
And what exactly does "prioritize" mean? Don't even discuss marriage equality until weed is legal?
The way our nation works is that many issues are discussed and advanced simultaneously. It would be impossible for any nation to operate one issue at a time.
Exactly. The crux of this thread is basically "people I don't like (and that I label inaccurately) talk about things I don't care about." Great. This is why ideological statements are basically non-sense, and we should focus on ideas and arguments instead. Ideology doesn't tell us what good policy is.
I've read numerous of your comments, edvard2, and appreciate them. You were not the target of that comment.
Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Prioritize means to weight by importance.
Expending enrgy worrying about replacing the burned out light bulb in your shed, while leaving the gaping hole in your roof go, with storms on the horizon.
Gay people don't go to prison in this country, for being gay
Marijuana prohibition leads to hundreds of deaths every day, millions in prison, countries south of our border in terror and chaos, not to mention an undermining of our entire legal framework by allowing such insanity to continue. And there's some very simple solutions available, that not only don't cost anything, but would greatly benefit the economy.
Its a no brainer
97% of alimony goes from men to women. 80% of custody of children goes to women and people are forced to pay-undert threat of jail-upto 50k a month in child support-with absolutely no say in how the children are raised and how the money is spent.
People who ask for custody do not have to pay child support. Instead, they could step up and be men, instead of bitching about money being used to support their children.
What percentage of child support orders are 50K/month? Bet you don't know.
Prioritize means to weight by importance.
You lost the argument.
Agree -- this whole thread is the problem in that case. Instead of making a coherent argument about an important issue, it rails incoherently against an unimportant one.
this whole thread is the problem in that case.
Exactly and I am ashamed of myself for giving it the attention it didn't deserve.
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If you watch the news even badly lately, you'll notice a pattern. Liberals are more concerned about gays in Russia, than about economy, well being, or stability of an American economy.
Is it any wonder no one takes those clowns seriously anymore?