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Strategist says

Here's a million dollar question...I heard it on TV a few years ago, and it set me thinking. "Would you torture to save the life of your child" If the answer is "No" you are a bad parent.

I hate those sorts of questions. They set you up for a "right" answer.

Here's another one:

You see a strange child stuck on railroad tracks, a train approaching. Do you jump to save this child, and risk death? What if you have children of your own who will be left parentless?

Strategist says

The country I deserve is the country all humans deserve. Freedom, education, democracy, healthcare, and spectacular scientific progress. Sometimes in order to achieve what we deserve, we must temporarily step back to ward off those who plan on taking away our freedoms.

The only people taking away american freedoms are americans. The people in power who do it because of the people like you who allow it.

I thought Call It Crazy was suppose to be a grandfather, but he talks like a five-year-old. Is that his real age or just his literacy level?

Strategist says

"Would you torture to save the life of your child" If the answer is "No" you are a bad parent.

So Strategist, would you torture another person's child to save your child? If so, you should be in prison.

The problem with questions like these is that they don't reflect reality. Torturing people won't make you safer. And people who answer yes to such questions, they have a tendency to think of torture and murder as the only options.

Vicente says

You see a strange child stuck on railroad tracks, a train approaching. Do you jump to save this child, and risk death? What if you have children of your own who will be left parentless?

Excellent point. The answer to conservatives like Strategist and Crazy is, of course, "fuck no". After all, other people's children mean nothing to them. In fact, they value their own children's lives only because those kids carry their DNA. These assholes would gladly kill everyone in the world to ensure their own genetic survival. It's the epitome of immorality and short-sightedness.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

"Would you torture to save the life of your child" If the answer is "No" you are a bad parent.

So Strategist, would you torture another person's child to save your child? If so, you should be in prison.

Oh boy, that's a tough one. I don't think I could.
I would have no problem torturing, or rather allowing a terrorist to be tortured to save anyones child.

Dan8267 says

The problem with questions like these is that they don't reflect reality. Torturing people won't make you safer. And people who answer yes to such questions, they have a tendency to think of torture and murder as the only options.

They have used waterboarding which is not even torture to extract crucial information from terrorists that have saved lives.

Dan8267 says

Vicente says

You see a strange child stuck on railroad tracks, a train approaching. Do you jump to save this child, and risk death? What if you have children of your own who will be left parentless?

Excellent point. The answer to conservatives like Strategist and Crazy is, of course, "fuck no". After all, other people's children mean nothing to them. In fact, they value their own children's lives only because those kids carry their DNA. These assholes would gladly kill everyone in the world to ensure their own genetic survival. It's the epitome of immorality and short-sightedness.

Oh God, there he goes again.
Hey Call Crazy, we really chapped his hide this time.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

The country I deserve is the country all humans deserve. Freedom, education, democracy, healthcare, and spectacular scientific progress. Sometimes in order to achieve what we deserve, we must temporarily step back to ward off those who plan on taking away our freedoms.

The only people taking away american freedoms are americans. The people in power who do it because of the people like you who allow it.

One day, when you have grandkids or great grandkids, a little boy and girl will sit on your lap and ask....Hey grampa, tell us the story of Strategist, whose ideas created the freedom we so enjoy. And you will say "Ah yes, humanity owes people like him a lot. I wish I could have been a little more like Strategist." Sigh!

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Excellent point. The answer to conservatives like Strategist and Crazy is, of course, "fuck no". After all, other people's children mean nothing to them. In fact, they value their own children's lives only because those kids carry their DNA. These assholes would gladly kill everyone in the world to ensure their own genetic survival. It's the epitome of immorality and short-sightedness.

Oh God, there he goes again.

Hey Call Crazy, we really chapped his hide this time.

He gets more delusional every day!

Do you have a valium you can loan him? Or does he still prefers pot?

Call it Crazy says

What it shows is his true self-centerness and how he feels the world revolves around him. That's what happens when you don't have a girlfriend/wife and no kids. It becomes all about him and if you don't agree with his views, you get the type of posts/opinions like he's made in this thread.

Very sad....

No wife, girlfriend or kids....hmmmmm....Either he can't get it up, or he has a boyfriend.

Strategist says

So Strategist, would you torture another person's child to save your child? If so, you should be in prison.

Oh boy, that's a tough one. I don't think I could.

Well, guess what, the assholes who torture people have no such problem. A person who is willing to torture another human being has crossed a line and isn't going to distinguish between the innocent and the guilty or between adults and children.

Under your system, rape also becomes a viable interrogation method.

So tell me, what if Elizabeth Smart's dad knew something the CIA "needed" to know but wouldn't tell even under duress of torture. Would you be willing to rape Elizabeth Smart in front of her dad in order to make him talk? Cause any torturer wouldn't hesitate to do this.

In case you forgot, Elizabeth Smart was the 14-year-old girl who was kidnapped and turned into a sex slave for 9 months. Still want to rape her for the common good?

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

The problem with questions like these is that they don't reflect reality.

The problem with the majority of the posts YOU make is that they don't reflect reality.

Perfect example of a 5-year-old's response.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

So Strategist, would you torture another person's child to save your child? If so, you should be in prison.

Oh boy, that's a tough one. I don't think I could.

Well, guess what, the assholes who torture people have no such problem. A person who is willing to torture another human being has crossed a line and isn't going to distinguish between the innocent and the guilty or between adults and children.

Under your system, rape also becomes a viable interrogation method.

So tell me, what if Elizabeth Smart's dad knew something the CIA "needed" to know but wouldn't tell even under duress of torture. Would you be willing to rape Elizabeth Smart in front of her dad in order to make him talk? Cause any torturer wouldn't hesitate to do this.

I honestly would not be able to. Besides, the girl is innocent, why even mess with her? A few years ago I started becoming a vegetarian, reason being, I saw how animals were being treated in those disgusting and cruel factory farms. I really don't have the balls to even be cruel to animals.
That does not mean I will not support the torture of terrorists to save human lives. Fuck them, they're worse then cockroaches.

My name is Narmeen Saleh Al-Rubaye. I am a 27-year old Iraqi born Swedish national. I am the mother of 8-year old Zainab, who was born with cerebral palsy as a result of me being kicked in the stomach and tortured with electric shocks when I was pregnant with her.

In June 2004, my husband Shawki Ahmed Omar, an engineer, his 9-year old son from a previous marriage, and I entered Iraq legally from Syria to visit family and friends, and for my husband to establish a branch of an American company his brother owned in the US.

On 29 October 2004, my husband and I were invited to my uncle’s house in Zayouna, Baghdad, for an engagement party. We decided to stay overnight. I was four months’ pregnant with my daughter at that time. At 10pm, American soldiers attacked the house by blowing up the front door, and breaking in from all doors without any warning. They came to the room where I was sitting with my husband, with weapons and dogs. They started to hit my husband before asking any questions. They were hitting him with the butts of their gun, on his head and all over his body. My husband was bleeding profusely from the wounds inflicted by the severe beating. They herded the other people in the house, including my mother and siblings, into other rooms.

I tried to stop the soldiers and pleaded with them to stop beating my husband, but they would not. There were so many US soldiers they filled the room. One of them hit me on the head and knocked me to the ground, so that I lost consciousness for a while. They then let a black dog attack me. I am very afraid of dogs, and I was shaking with fear. They made me squat on the balls of my feet, blindfolded me, and tied my hands behind my back.

All that time they were still beating my husband who never resisted them. The raid lasted four hours. I found out later that all the money and jewellery in the house, including those the women were wearing, were taken that night. All the men in the house were arrested.

They took my husband and me in their vehicles to an unknown location. While I was in their vehicle, they told me that I needed to confess, or they would rape me. Then they put me in a plane and took me to the place of interrogation. I spent sixteen days there. During that time, the interrogations did not stop for one minute. Investigators came in one after the other. They tried every means to make me say what they wanted me to say. They swore and used bad language to humiliate me. At other times, they used beatings and electric shocks. They threw cold water on me, and again threatened to rape me if I didn’t confess. They told me they would send me to Abu Ghraib and do to me what they did to the people there, and that they would take me there and rape me. I did not know where I was. I later found out it was the notorious secret prison Camp Nama. They tortured and beat me a lot, and when they found out that I was pregnant, they told me they would kill the child in my womb. They then concentrated their beating and electric shocks on my abdomen area.

I could hear them torturing my husband as he was in the room next door. .They took me to the interrogation room to watch them as they used electric shocks on my husband’s genitals. They put his head in cold water. They used sleep deprivation. They brought me three times in front of my husband and threatened to rape me in front of him if he didn’t confessThey kept telling him they would rape his 9-year old son in front of him. This was a lie, because they did not have Salah, but my husband did not know this.

All of that time, I was kept in a room that was one metre by one metre in size. I was blindfolded, my hands were tied behind my back, and they made me squat, balancing on the balls of my feet for hours at a time.

I did not sleep for 16 days. They kept trying to make me take a pill, but I didn’t know what it was, so I refused. They forced me to take it. After 16 days, they left me on a street. I had no idea where I was.

After I was released, I went to a specialist doctor and told her about the electric shocks and the beatings on my stomach. The doctor was certain that I would not have a normal child. Now my daughter is 8 years old. She is slow in her physical development, movement, walking, and speech, because of the torture she endured in my womb.

After that, I didn’t hear anything about my husband for a few months, until I got a letter through the Red Cross telling me that he was in solitary confinement at Camp Bucca in Basra. Basra is seven hours away from Baghdad. I would make appointments to visit my husband, go all the way there, and they would then refuse to let me see him. This happened several times. My daughter was only a few months old then.

Months would go by, and we would not hear anything about my husband. We later learned that he spent nine continuous months in solitary confinement. During that time, they continued to interrogate my husband, and would lie to him telling him that they would rape me in front of him, trying to get him to make a false confession.

On 24 June 2010, Shawki had a trial. He met his lawyer the same day in court. He was convicted and sentenced to 15 years, starting from that day, for illegal entry into Iraq. This is a completely false charge and we have the evidence to disprove it. After an appeal in February 2011, the sentence was reduced to seven years. To date, however, the Iraqi authorities are refusing to release my husband.

My husband was in the last group of prisoners to be handed over to Iraqi custody by the Americans on 15 July 2011. He was with those who were in the airport prison, Camp 7. The guards abused them they are Sunni Muslims and treated them in an inhumane manner. They even tried to poison the prisoners by putting bleach in their food. My husband continues to be tortured and beaten at times.