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Rin says

I can't see these trends reversing, anytime soon. I'd say that it's safe to say that a regular fifty-something, won't be jumping into a marriage, unless he was already engaged during his late 40s.

Heraclitusstudent, are you reading this?

Maybe you are right: society piles on so many pressure people don't marry anymore.
People suffer from deep neurosis, or are insufferable narcissists, or plain sociopaths, or listless brats unable to react to the demands of the world.
It's the society and the culture that are screwed, not the idea of finding a woman and having children.

Heraclitusstudent says

People suffer from deep neurosis, or are insufferable narcissists, or plain sociopaths, or listless brats unable to react to the demands of the world.

It's the society and the culture that are screwed, not the idea of finding a woman and having children.

Nah it is the feminazis and their laws. For example, in the state of CA, if you get married at 18 and divorce at 29 with no kids-you are now a long term marriage. A judge and the court has jurisdiction over you for life-your entire freaking life. They can reopen the case when you turn 69-theoretically. As a father, once you are divorced, you have no control. You cannot say yo want to give your kids an allowance, punish them, make them work fast food or cut neighbors' lawns etc. The court makes you give a set income to the kids-based on what they-not you-think is right. Your wife could be the state whore and slept with every man in every football team in the state and you still owe her half -no-fault divorce. In some states you still owe child support for kids that you have proven by DNA are not yours. Even convicted murderers and rapists can get away free if DNA proves that you did not do it-but not wrongly accused fathers.

Why do you think people want to marry. I am only planning on getting into it because yes love-but also the fiancée is even more financially settled than me-so not going to lose anything.

of course if you say something-you are part of the misogynist, woman hating patriarchy.

lostand confused says

The court makes you give a set income to the kids-based on what they-not you-think is right. Your wife could be the state whore and slept with every man in every football team in the state and you still owe her half -no-fault divorce. In some states you still owe child support for kids that you have proven by DNA are not yours. Even convicted murderers and rapists can get away free if DNA proves that you did not do it-but not wrongly accused fathers.

Why do you think people want to marry. I am only planning on getting into it because yes love-but also the fiancée is even more financially settled than me-so not going to lose anything.

of course if you say something-you are part of the misogynist, woman hating patriarchy.

This is all true.

In a short time, start of 2016, I'll be getting a huge payout/windfall, out of this career. With that windfall, as a guy who can simply live a life, off the dividends from a bunch of stocks and annuity riders, what's my incentive to settled down and get married?

Pretty much, nothing. I didn't build this business with a female lifelong partner. All of us, the starting dozen, are men. During the stresses of those early years, I was pretty much on my own emotionally. Sure, old friends helped me out but that's what friends are for. Romantic relationships are not the same as lifelong, old friends from childhood.

lostand confused says

Heraclitusstudent says

It's the society and the culture that are screwed, ...

Nah it is the feminazis and their laws.

Feminazis are part of the culture, and so are men like Rin.

Rin says

what's my incentive to settled down and get married?

Then don't get married. Have a relationship and children. Not marriage license is required.
Or move to a different country and marry.
Seems to me you're looking for excuses.

Heraclitusstudent says

lostand confused says

Heraclitusstudent says

It's the society and the culture that are screwed, ...

Nah it is the feminazis and their laws.

Feminazis are part of the culture, and so are men like Rin.

Rin says

what's my incentive to settled down and get married?

Then don't get married. Have a relationship and children. Not marriage license is required.

Or move to a different country and marry.

Seems to me you're looking for excuses.

You're acting as if, I'd created this society. Not true, I was born into it but as a result, I don't plan on being one of its victims.

And what's this moving to another country? Is it my duty to create, half-white/half-Filipino offsprings to maintain my lineage? What is that, some leftover of some overseas colonial era?

Rin says

Is it my duty to create, half-white/half-Filipino offsprings to maintain my lineage? What is that, some leftover of some overseas colonial era?

And there you have it ... the zinger.

Because in reality, no matter how one rationalizes it, that's the truth of the average (though not the exceptional) white westerner, getting a far eastern woman pregnant.

It's a mix of the old age of colonialism, where the UK/USA has some aegis over the developing world and that one should spread his 1st world caucasoid genes, for the betterment of those not so developed countries.

Sure, if one had actually grown up, studied, or spent a lot of time working there, that's not really the case but for those, who show up infrequently, but expect that women will worship them for the blue passport, it typically is.

it is the feminazi rules. I know of a couple where the man was paralyzed and can't work for the last 26 years. Not only did his wife work and take care of him till now-they are still together. This is an immigrant couple though. Just in the western nations-gubmnt has distorted personal choice. So if you are married to say Rin for the last ten years. The woman made no contribution to his financial success and like the typical LA wives I saw in the affluent areas-shopped, rode horses, went on vacations, had nannies for the kids and bitched and moaned about their husbands being so busy- suddenly decide they are done . By law they get half and on top of that you have to pay alimony etc etc etc. I mean if one wants to be an equal-you enjoyed the perks when you were together-now get off your ass and get a job and make sound choices. You don't want that, then live on welfare like the other 300 pound freaks. Why should one be forced to turn over millions just because ethey shared a bed together. if marriage does not mean anything and anyone can do anything-according to the feminazis-then get a job when it is over and move. Can't have it both ways-until it becomes fair again-the current states of affairs will persist. Women have gotten this idea that I have a vagina and so everybody owes me-that is what this equality law is all about by Obozo-the same mindset. never mind meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina fought their way to the top and are richer than 99% of men-never question themselves-I have a vagina, so I must be equal and by that I mean I need everything handed to me and everyone to praise me.

lostand confused says

So if you are married to say Rin for the last ten years. The woman made no contribution to his financial success and like the typical LA wives I saw in the affluent areas-shopped, rode horses, went on vacations, had nannies for the kids and bitched and moaned about their husbands being so busy- suddenly decide they are done . By law they get half and on top of that you have to pay alimony

And isn't that a big part of my point. This business, though I'm only a junior partner, was not a result of some pie-in-the-sky love story of two persons working together for a common good. It's simply my career and according to the law, if/when I get married, without a rock solid prenup, my future spouse gets half my dividends/annuities for basically doing nothing.

In place of that, I can see hoes in Australia, England, etc, and keep all of my earnings and only spend a small amount on those escort gals, from time to time. As for companions et al, that's what friends are for. Seriously, it's as if Heraclitusstudent has only had girlfriends/lovers and no trustworthy friends from youth. The only ppl one can rely on, are those ppl. If one didn't cultivate close friendships from that earlier age then yes, one's bound to be friendless and perhaps, lonely for life. So far, those individuals have stuck by me and vice versa, I stick by them. One guy, who'd gotten a divorce, even stayed at my place, during his period of separation. He's eternally grateful for my support. But no, this is a concept that Heraclitusstudent doesn't understand because ... "love/relationships and having kids are natural and a wonderful part of life".

I'll say it again, the days of Ozzy and Harriet are over.

Here's the thing, I've hit the 4 year mark of not dating. Do I miss it? Nope, not a bit.

The problem, however, is that I can't tell mainstream society about it. I have to pretend to be constantly dating, in search of some *perfect* love because that's what's expected of a heterosexual male in my age bracket. And this is my main gripe with society. Given the sheer number of bad relationships out there, why is it, that much of society is obsessed with love and relationships? At least in Japan, many ppl have given up and had done the hostess bar and escort thing, a long time ago.

On PatNet, however, I can be more truthful and tell ppl that it's a pack of lies.

So yes, Heraclitusstudent, I'm here, not to convince myself but to tell society to f'ck off.

Why do you waste so much time and energy over what society thinks?

I couldnt care less what anyone thinks

errc says

Why do you waste so much time and energy over what society thinks?

I couldnt care less what anyone thinks

Very simple, I'd like to be able to attend a social gathering and tell ppl, I don't give a rat's *ss about dating.

Instead, to be sanguine with the crowd, because obviously I don't want to come off as combative or some misfit/misanthrope, I say things like, "Oh yeah, I'm meeting up with someone in Hartford, We'll see how it goes" and so-forth, basically a white lie to blend in.

On PatNet, I can say, SCREW IT, in bold.

For the most part, I'm not critical of those 21 year olds, who talk about soulmates, being in a long term meaningful relationship, and all that stuff in those years. It's perfectly natural and expected, that young folks will be idealistic and looking for something hard to attain in life.

But when a person turns 35, 45, or 55 and says exactly the same thing, I ask myself, where has this person been, for much of his adulthood? Why hasn't he grown up yet?

A seasoned veteran does not spend his life, living in some ideological meanderings. He learns to move on and deal with the hand dealt to him. Sure, if his co-ed classmate in college, decides to become his lifelong companion then great, get married and live the Ozzy and Harriet life.

But if that didn't occur, what was going on in his head, between 20 and 25, then 25 to 30, then 30 to 35, and so on? A person's perspective needs to change, in at least, one of those age brackets. If it doesn't, then he's trapped in some earlier mental paradox, where his actual life events, don't coincide with his idealism and thus, he's in a trap of constantly searching for something, which probably doesn't exist. Unfortunately, a lot of ppl are living in such a condition.

And no, the solution is not to get some Filipina pregnant, to make up for lost time. The days of Douglass MacArthur are over (a.k.a unconscious British or American Governor-General/Viceroy).

Heraclitusstudent, are you one of those persons, trapped in your idealisms of youth?

Rin,

I met a 21 yr old when I was thirty, who I ended up marrying. We've been together for 12 years, and she's still my best friend. Even if 85% of marriages suck, it doesn't mean that yours has to. You made it into the top 15% in the income bracket. It's quite possible that you could do it in the relationship area too if you are intelligent and apply yourself. If you are dense or don't apply yourself, you'll probably end up in the bottom 85%. Picking the right partner and luck has a lot to do with it too. My first marriage was a flop due to poor selection, but I learned and moved on with life.

I couldn't care less if someone in my social circle chooses not to get married. When reading your thoughts, though, my first reaction is that you talk a lot about the possibility of losing your money or having some gold digger using you. If that's true, then I might discuss it with you, because you seem too scared to show up for the game. If you really just don't want a good marriage or long term relationship, then fine. I'm not sure why you would choose to avoid a good marriage, but it's your life so good on you for living it on your terms.

YesYNot says

Even if 85% of marriages suck, it doesn't mean that yours has to. You made it into the top 15% in the income bracket. It's quite possible that you could do it in the relationship area too if you are intelligent and apply yourself. If you are dense or don't apply yourself, you'll probably end up in the bottom 85%. Picking the right partner and luck has a lot to do with it too.

The fact that the number is 85% is enough of a reason, not to bother. I'll never have to work a day in my life, in a very short time. I want to enjoy my life afterwards.

Since I didn't grow, with this female, then what's the point? I believe that ppl need to grow together through their formative years. This whole meeting someone, after everything is said and done, makes no sense to me. Those soldiers, who'd spent their nights in the trenches, know who their comrades are because they'd faced artillery and machine gun fire together. These persons become lifelong friends, as a result of their experiences. Since I'd done these X years w/o meaningful emotional support from a long term GF or wife, then what's my incentive for the future?

Rin says

Since I didn't grow, with this female, then what's the point? I believe that ppl need to grow together through their formative years. This whole meeting someone, after everything is said and done, makes no sense to me. Those soldiers, who'd spent their nights in the trenches, know who their comrades are because they'd faced artillery and machine gun fire together. These persons become lifelong friends, as a result of their experiences. Since I'd done these X years w/o meaningful emotional support from a long term GF or wife, then what's my incentive for the future?

I agree with this premise. It's important for a successful marriage for both people to be in the "trenches" from the beginning and have those bonding experiences.

tr6 says

I agree with this premise. It's important for a successful marriage for both people to be in the "trenches" from the beginning and have those bonding experiences.

Finally, someone who gets my point.

And thus, what mainstreamers believe, which is love/soulmate/blah/blah, some Hollywood movie claptrap, is a bunch of nonsense.

Fleeting emotions are not the basis for a successful, long term union, esp in this day and age.

Speaking of mainstreamers, I do know of one mainstreamer, who advocates against marriage.

He's in his seventies and is still married to his 2nd wife. He's got a good relationship with his adult kids but can barely stand his wife. And he likes to spend his free time teaching, volunteering for his dioceses, and other things. It's not like he mopes around the house, bickering.

He's the only person who'd openly told me, "Rin, don't ever get married. You'll never any peace of mind, once you do. The sex part will fade within a few years and then, it's like having an annoying roommate who never goes away."

Aside from him, everyone else utters the 'power of positive thinking' claptrap.

I'm kind of surprised you've been so successful in your financial life. You have the conformity / willingness to brown-nose, and willingness to work hard part down. But optimism and desire to grow seem to be in short supply.

I don't agree that you have to grow together when you are younger to be happy and successful. You do have to grow together as adults. If you start growing in different directions, it's probably game over.

YesYNot says

But optimism and desire to grow seem to be in short supply.

I see that in a lot of folks who refuse to accept reality and live in the clouds.

lostand confused says

So if you are married to say Rin for the last ten years. The woman made no contribution to his financial success and like the typical LA wives I saw in the affluent areas-shopped, rode horses, went on vacations, had nannies for the kids and bitched and moaned about their husbands being so busy- suddenly decide they are done . By law they get half and on top of that you have to pay alimony etc etc etc. I mean if one wants to be an equal-you enjoyed the perks when you were together-now get off your ass and get a job and make sound choices. You don't want that, then live on welfare like the other 300 pound freaks. Why should one be forced to turn over millions just because ethey shared a bed together.

That's one way to look at it.
An other way is the lady have kids, works her tail off at home, invests her time in kids education, gives up her career or puts it on a slow track.

After 10 years she's has spent her youth, reproductive capacity and career options on Rin, then he dumps her for a young chick, and leaves her with kids, no revenues, very few career paths, and even less dating options. I'd say it's fair he pays up.

Now of course if you're working while your wife is shopping, something is wrong with you. You need to have a serious discussion with your wife. You have 10 yrs to see it coming.

YesYNot says

I'm kind of surprised you've been so successful in your financial life. You have the conformity / willingness to brown-nose, and willingness to work hard part down. But optimism and desire to grow seem to be in short supply.

Being successful in finance is about a combination of being shrewd and being lucky. If I wasn't so lucky, what I'd do instead, like a lot of other ppl, is attend medical school. And that's a function of one's MCAT score, not optimism, though you have to fake optimism during one's admissions' interviews.

As for how ppl grow, here's a bit of a blue print ...

On the whole, women do not grow, after the age of 30. For the most part, whatever patterns/behaviors they've instilled from ages 15 to 25, start to calcify during their early 30s.

On the other hand, certain men do make a huge leap forward, from ages 30 to 40, so that when you meet 'em at 45, they seem like a totally different person than their 29 year old self. Typically, this isn't the case and like a lot of women, men too also crystallize but closer to their mid than early 30s.

lostand confused says

I see that in a lot of folks who refuse to accept reality and live in the clouds.

And that's just my point. Outside this forum (where we can all let it hang out), I have to pretend to agree with them, so that I'm invited to soclal gatherings and such.

Rin says

errc says

Why do you waste so much time and energy over what society thinks?

I couldnt care less what anyone thinks

Very simple, I'd like to be able to attend a social gathering and tell ppl, I don't give a rat's *ss about dating.

Instead, to be sanguine with the crowd, because obviously I don't want to come off as combative or some misfit/misanthrope, I say things like, "Oh yeah, I'm meeting up with someone in Hartford, We'll see how it goes" and so-forth, basically a white lie to blend in.

So you care what people are thinking because you care what people are thinking?
That's one huge part of your problem.
That's why you think it's a question of society: because you are stuck with this society and you care way too much what people think.
All these constraints are what prevents you to operate based on true human needs.
You need to let this go before anything else.

Rin says

Is it my duty to create, half-white/half-Filipino offsprings to maintain my lineage?

If you don't like filipino go for Brazil - or Kyrgyzstan for that matter.
I'm just pointing out that being stuck on US women mentality is a limited argument.

Rin says

Those soldiers, who'd spent their nights in the trenches, know who their comrades are because they'd faced artillery and machine gun fire together.

Have a couple of babies and you'll spend enough nights in the trenches to make you feel like best comrades ever.

Rin says

Fleeting emotions are not the basis for a successful, long term union, esp in this day and age.

You're absolutely right about that. It's not for love, and it's not for pleasure.

Heraclitusstudent says

An other way is the lady have kids, works her tail off at home, invests her time in kids education, gives up her career or puts it on a slow track.

Personal choices. meg Whitman had kids, a career and reached the pinnacle of success and is more successful than the vast majority of men. Step up and take responsibility.

Heraclitusstudent says

So you care what people are thinking because you care what people are thinking?

Hello, do you know the difference between being a hermit and having a normal social life? A hermit is a misanthrope who rails against everyone he meets and soon, he's playing computer chess by himself. On the other hand, a social person attends parties, goes to shows, etc, etc. In other words, he's an congenial person, however, on the inside, he doesn't exactly agree with the majority p.o.v. It's like a Buddhist, attending an Anglican mass. If he tells 'em that the concept of J.C. as savior is false, more likely than not, he won't be invited to those masses anymore.

Heraclitusstudent says

Have a couple of babies and you'll spend enough nights in the trenches to make you feel like best comrades ever.

Isn't this putting the horse before the carriage? First, one needs a successful marriage and then, have kids. BTW, that seventy year old guy I'd mentioned, stopped having sex with his wife, after the first kid. So much for the World War I analogy, he's never at the VFW with the spouse.

Heraclitusstudent says

If you don't like filipino go for Brazil - or Kyrgyzstan for that matter.

I'm just pointing out that being stuck on US women mentality is a limited argument.

So again, in order to have a real relationship, one needs to first, be an ex-pat, and then partially assimilate into a different society, so that one can properly communicate with one's spouse without the relationship being a bunch of American-isms.

So far, I'd known exactly one person, who'd done that successfully in the Philippines. Most others, wear their Uncle Sam stripes and yes, in time, it puts a strain on the relationship and the kids get confused by the cultural disjunctions. So being abroad doesn't put a muzzle on divorce either. Plus, if you want to do the Islamic thing, since you'd mentioned Central Asia, where Muslim women follow their husbands, you also have to convert.

Rin says

Most others, wear their Uncle Sam stripes and yes, in time, it puts a strain on the relationship and the kids get confused by the cultural disjunctions. So being abroad doesn't put a muzzle on divorce either.

Here's an example, I know a Singaporean-American couple and they have a daughter. The girl hates herself for being part-Chinese and not fully white. Do you get the picture?

There is a huge straw man in the room. Rin and some others put forth the idea of a woman who shops and screws off all day while he works. He could date a professional woman (doctor, lawyer, etc., not prostitute) too if he lost the crappy misogynistic attitude. He'd have to be wary of gold diggers considering he has a nest egg, but that is not too difficult.

Rin says

He could date a professional woman (doctor, lawyer, etc., not prostitute) too if he lost the crappy misogynistic attitude.

Read my piece on the age of 29 and the fact that women, on the whole, don't change much, upon hitting 30.

And what makes you think that those professional women aren't a bunch of control freaks either? The expression, *my money is my money and your money is my money*, is more common than you think.

An easier solution, would be for the rules to change and that in an equal society-each person is responsible for their life choices and once people part ways-nobody owes anybody anything. That will force people to think long term. That will also successful people to take risks.

Also children-whoever is financially able can take care of the kids-the state does not get to dictate how I raise my kids.

lostand confused says

An easier solution, would be for the rules to change and that in an equal society-each person is responsible for their life choices and once people part ways-nobody owes anybody anything. That will force people to think long term. That will also successful people to take risks.

For me, I really don't care what society wants to do anymore.

After I get my package and finish medical school, I'll start doing my own research, and relocate to Australia.

There, I'll have affiliations with local universities and institutes, while boning hoes, once a week, for the rest of my life.

Rin says

For me, I really don't care what society wants to do anymore.

After I get my package and finish medical school, I'll start doing my own research, and relocate to Australia.

There, I'll have affiliations with local universities and institutes, while boning hoes, once a week, for the rest of my life.

I suspect that what will happen, during the my 40s/50s, is that a slew of my friends will probably be ending their marriages.

Then, esp if they have a work-from-home arrangement, they can visit me Down Under, stay at my place for a month or two, and we can go out, and bones hoes together. I'll be like the good olde days, but w/o the live Celtics games. I have a feeling that they'll like that lifestyle over what was their failed marriage.

Rin says

Read my piece on the age of 29 and the fact that women, on the whole, don't change much, upon hitting 30.

And what makes you think that those professional women aren't a bunch of control freaks either? The expression, *my money is my money and your money is my money*, is more common than you think.

I read your hypothesis on women changing after 30, and don't think you have much data regarding that. Even if you are right, you could go find a 25 yr old, or find a 30 yr old who shares many of the same thoughts, hobbies, and goals as you. You don't have to go through the formative years together so much as find someone who is sympatico and start growing together. When people get much older, they stop changing, and perhaps get more like themselves as they stop trying to mask their personality.

I don't really understand your complaint about professional women. Are they more likely to be control freaks then successful men? If you don't want a control freak, find a laid back professional woman. They are out there.

My wife and I have our own money pools and a shared pool. What would be considered hers on divorce is a matter of state law and a prenup. It's not too hard to figure that out, though. I'm pretty sure that most states assume that the money made during marriage is joint property. However, the money made before marriage or inherited does not become joint property unless it is commingled. If you want to spell that out, then see a lawyer and get a prenup.

YesYNot says

If you want to spell that out, then see a lawyer and get a prenup.

Prenups can and do get tossed. Then there is out sized child support-with some folks shelling out 150k a month. it should be the other way around, where you want something in the event of a divorce, you sign a prenup. Else you get nothing. Child support should be only if one parent cannot take care of the child.

Rin says

Heraclitusstudent says

So you care what people are thinking because you care what people are thinking?

Hello, do you know the difference between being a hermit and having a normal social life? A hermit is a misanthrope who rails against everyone he meets and soon, he's playing computer chess by himself. On the other hand, a social person attends parties, goes to shows, etc, etc. In other words, he's an congenial person, however, on the inside, he doesn't exactly agree with the majority p.o.v. It's like a Buddhist, attending an Anglican mass. If he tells 'em that the concept of J.C. as savior is false, more likely than not, he won't be invited to those masses anymore.

You lost the thread of the discussion. I was certainly not proposing to be a hermit.
In fact, you are more of a hermit now: living alone and without any real human relationship that are not based either on monetary transactions (hoes) or lies (social parties where you lie to people about who you are).

Such "parties" are a parody of being social. Being social is having friends who really know you and appreciate you that way.

Let this go, then you'll be more lucid.

Rin says

So again, in order to have a real relationship, one needs to first, be an ex-pat, and then partially assimilate into a different society, so that one can properly communicate with one's spouse without the relationship being a bunch of American-isms.

Or bring her to the US.
All this to say that the world is opened.
There are more possibilities than you consider in your rants.
You're just mentally stuck in one way of thinking.

lostand confused says

Personal choices. meg Whitman had kids, a career and reached the pinnacle of success and is more successful than the vast majority of men. Step up and take responsibility.

Meg Whitman is hardly representative of what the average woman can do.
You think it's about women (having a vagina, etc...) but this is really about kids: Women are cursed with motherhood, the time spent on this, etc...

lostand confused says

Prenups can and do get tossed. Then there is out sized child support-with some folks shelling out 150k a month.

Yes.

YesYNot says

Even if you are right, you could go find a 25 yr old, or find a 30 yr old who shares many of the same thoughts, hobbies, and goals as you.

For one, I'm planning on retiring in Australia. A big part of that visa process is being financially independent. Thus, I'll be forced to co-sponsor my spouse and then, by law, I owe her.

And finally, I've developed all of my hobbies alone or with male friends. The only thing I do with women are candlelight dinners and dancing.

And then, when I'm in Australia, unless I wanted to turn my retirement visa into a green card, why would I even marry a local Aussie gal? The culture is practically the same as America, minus baseball and American football.

Heraclitusstudent says

Or bring her to the US.

All this to say that the world is opened.

There are more possibilities than you consider in your rants.

You're just mentally stuck in one way of thinking.

Unless you marry a Catholic Filipina, who'll stick with practically anyone & don't believe in divorce, bringing a woman into America is not a great idea. So far, I'm yet to hear of a successful Russian women/American guy success story in my region. The success stories are mainly about ppl with similar backgrounds like both Iranian Shias.

Heraclitusstudent says

Being social is having friends who really know you and appreciate you that way.

This is the part that you don't get ... if you're a Buddhist, you can be friends with Anglicans. And vice versa. But you don't go into an Anglican church and tell ppl that Jesus is not a real savior but some historic character in literature.

Are you really that dense?

Rin says

Heraclitusstudent says

Being social is having friends who really know you and appreciate you that way.

I have friends who're married and miserable. Do I remind 'em of that, every time I meet them? No, I let them talk about their misery, when they feel it's appropriate.

Heraclitusstudent says

Meg Whitman is hardly representative of what the average woman can do.

You think it's about women (having a vagina, etc...) but this is really about kids: Women are cursed with motherhood, the time spent on this, etc...

Excuses, excuse. In every company I worked, I know plenty of women who make more than their male partners, have kids and made it to different levels of management. One thing I noticed in all the success stories-men/women-is that they never give excuses. It is the same with men-you will find a big subset, who don't mount to much-but will have a boatload of excuses. You want some whine with that toast?

Now if a man/woman is dead broke and happy-more power to him/her. But if you think you should be equal to so and so , but xyz-oh well.

Heraclitusstudent is so lame that he thinks that my friends are all fake, if I don't continually trash talk relationships and marriage around them.

For the life of me, why can't you see that the desperate person here is you? You don't understand the meaning of appropriate behavior.