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"A new objective in the proposed BCTPA would seek to negotiate the prevention and elimination
of government involvement in violations of IPR such as cybertheft or piracy. The enhanced
protection of trade secrets and proprietary information collected by governments in the
furtherance of regulations are contained in the negotiating objective on regulatory coherence."

So in other words if there is Cybertheft no government can intervene??? What is the TPP promoting Cybertheft then?
Is this legal or constitutional?

Montesquie: " This temper in a free nation is extremely proper for disconcerting the projects of tyranny,24 which is always slow and feeble in its commencement, as in the end it is active and lively; which at first only stretches out a hand to assist, and exerts afterwards a multitude of arms to oppress.

Slavery is ever preceded by sleep. But a people who find no rest in any situation, who continually explore every part, and feel nothing but pain, can hardly be lulled to sleep.

Politics is a smooth file, which cuts gradually, and attains its end by a slow progression. Now the people of whom we have been speaking are incapable of bearing the delays, the details, and the coolness of negotiations: in these they are more unlikely to succeed than any other nation; hence they are apt to lose by treaties what they obtain by their arms."

Entitlemented says

Montesquie: " This temper in a free nation is extremely proper for disconcerting the projects of tyranny

Oh it really does no good to anyone to quote Montesquieu. Why not Tocqueville?

Call it Crazy says

Apple is a classic example of Marketing over Product. If you want to succeed in business, make sure you focus your efforts of 80% on Marketing and 20% on Product and the sheep will line up and buy!

Disagreed. Design over marketing.

Heraclitusstudent says

Yeah... we had to send all jobs to China, or we would be dead already. Nice argument.

Got the impression that Americans don't want those jobs and factories because of pollution. USA is already the number one culprit in terms of CO2 emission per capita. The kind of factories we want are those fully automated kind which don't employ many people.

hanera says

Heraclitusstudent says

Yeah... we had to send all jobs to China, or we would be dead already. Nice argument.

Got the impression that Americans don't want those jobs and factories because of pollution. USA is already the number one culprit in terms of CO2 emission per capita. The kind of factories we want are those fully automated kind which don't employ many people.

Businesses don't want to deal with the crap of unions, OSHA, Workmens comp and government bureaucracy especially in California.
Consumers don't want pollution, and high prices.

Strategist says

Businesses don't want to deal with the crap of unions, OSHA, Workmens comp and government bureaucracy especially in California.

Consumers don't want pollution, and high prices.

Yes, they prefer to employ slave labor that they can exploit. Which is why OSHA, workmans comp, and government is needed.

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

Businesses don't want to deal with the crap of unions, OSHA, Workmens comp and government bureaucracy especially in California.


Consumers don't want pollution, and high prices.

Yes, they prefer to employ slave labor that they can exploit. Which is why OSHA, workmans comp, and government is needed.

Ok, but the harsh OSHA rules seem to be exploiting businesses. Workman's Comp is so expensive because Half the state seems to be on stress disability.
And what about pollution? I ain't breathing that crap.

Strategist says

Ok, but the harsh OSHA rules seem to be exploiting businesses. Workman's Comp is so expensive because Half the state seems to be on stress disability.

And what about pollution? I ain't breathing that crap.

Which OSHA rule is exploiting business exactly? Not sure what you're talking about re: stress disability. Do you have stats on that? And you're not breathing pollution because of government bureaucracy.

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

Ok, but the harsh OSHA rules seem to be exploiting businesses. Workman's Comp is so expensive because Half the state seems to be on stress disability.


And what about pollution? I ain't breathing that crap.

Which OSHA rule is exploiting business exactly? Not sure what you're talking about re: stress disability. Do you have stats on that? And you're not breathing pollution because of government bureaucracy.

I have some shares in a friends technology based company. They employ 40 to 45 people. They are so fed up with the government hassles, State taxes, Workmens Comps that going to Texas is now a serious consideration. Their expenses would take a dramatic fall, which would all end up in the bottom line. Even their employees would be able to buy homes instead of renting in over priced OC.
California is a dumb state that discourages business, while Texas encourages businesses and growth. I understand we cannot tolerate exploitation, pollution and lack of safety, but the same rules apply to Texas. What are they doing better that we don't?
Are conservatives really better at promoting businesses and prosperity than liberals? I think so.

Eat shit Crazy says

Call it Crazy says

Spoken like a true "isheep"

Well, you would know how sheep talk.

Snap out of it SBH, what the F is wrong with you?

Strategist says

I have some shares in a friends technology based company. They employ 40 to 45 people. They are so fed up with the government hassles, State taxes, Workmens Comps that going to Texas is now a serious consideration. Their expenses would take a dramatic fall, which would all end up in the bottom line. Even their employees would be able to buy homes instead of renting in over priced OC.

No shit. If they didn't have to worry about the safety of their workers, polluting the environment, or paying for the government that enforces the laws and provides the public works that allows the business to exist, they would probably be more profitable.

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

I have some shares in a friends technology based company. They employ 40 to 45 people. They are so fed up with the government hassles, State taxes, Workmens Comps that going to Texas is now a serious consideration. Their expenses would take a dramatic fall, which would all end up in the bottom line. Even their employees would be able to buy homes instead of renting in over priced OC.

No shit. If they didn't have to worry about the safety of their workers, polluting the environment, or paying for the government that enforces the laws and provides the public works that allows the business to exist, they would probably be more profitable.

For the last few years a lot of the work is being outsourced to China, which is one reason they are very profitable.
My question to you is .....why is Texas a lot more profitable to a company when they too enforce ...."safety of their workers, polluting the environment, or paying for the government that enforces the laws and provides the public works that allows the business to exist"
Where are us Californians screwing up?

Strategist says

I understand we cannot tolerate exploitation, pollution and lack of safety, but the same rules apply to Texas.

You have interesting beliefs about benzene.

Texas is the biggest industrial polluter in the nation. Shrub dismantled Texas's already-lax pollution controls as governor.

Strategist says

Where are us Californians screwing up?

Because CA creates crushing costs by refusing to build enough housing for its population?