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thunderlips11 says

marcus says

Is it a safer world ?

YES! Most of the world's current conflicts involve Islam. From Nigeria's Boko Haram to Uighurs in Xiang province of China.

Ostracizing them from most developed countries of the world countries does nothing to address this.

thunderlips11 says

marcus says

Are you sure that the best way is telling them to fuck off until they learn how to play well with others ?

Yes. It works in Star Trek. Prime Directive: Primitive Civilizations should not be contacted.

I guess if we were talking about leaving them on another planet that might make sense.

WOuld we even be civilized, if we hadn't had the chance to be somewhat prosperous ?

DOn't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that people living in inhospitable countries where there are not good opportunities and where the wealth is even more narrowly held in the hands of a few, and bullshit propaganda is used toward even worse ends than it is here, are our problem.

I don't claim to know the solution to all of this. But the current mania is far out of proportion to what history tells us about the ability of Muslims to live in countries they do not dominate, side by side with other people of other religions.

The wacko extremist beliefs have been pumped up in recent decades by the Saudis and maybe others, for reasons I don't understand. That is where our anger (or the UN's) should be directed. Not at all of Islam.

marcus says

om most developed countries of the world countries does nothing to address this

Sure it does! Just like quarantining a colony of lepers addresses the leper problem. If one is cured, miraculously, then maybe they can leave the colony.
In fact, it's the easiest thing: just make a choice not to follow the teachings of an insane, pedophiliac, war-mongering camel jockey and you're "cured!"

The Islamic world is far too large to quarantine.

That kind of thinking is an example of American arrogance.

Quigley says

just make a choice not to follow the teachings of an insane, pedophiliac, war-mongering camel jockey and you're "cured!"

and then the others will try to kill you, since it is islamic law that anyone who attempts to leave must die, preferably in public, as an example to the others.

marcus says

That kind of thinking is an example of American arrogance.

And thinking the Muslims - esp. the Somalis - are going to be instantly transformed into secular normal people simply by moving to the US isn't arrogance?

Retarded strawman.

Btw, I never suggested that there shouldn't be substantial vetting.

marcus says

Btw, I never suggested that there shouldn't be substantial vetting.

How do you vet in a refugee camp, with real but bribed (ie indistinguishable from the real thing, on the right paper with the right stamps after slipping a Syrian Bureaucrat $50) documents? FBI Agents are going to go into Aleppo dodging bullets and artillery fire to interview neighbors and ex-employers cowering in basements - if they're still there are all?

How much will it cost?

Vetting refugee claimants in a civil war is totally impractical.

Daddy Tsarnev's brothers and relatives laughed at his claim they were oppressed. They said Tsarnev watched a lot of Baywatch and thought by moving to the US, he'd get a red sportscar and be famous. The Immigration Service believed his bullshit.

Finally, if they are "Moderate Muslims", wouldn't the worst thing to do would be to send all the non-crazies out to Europe, Canada, and the USA? Then the only people left in Syria would be the Fundamentalists.

Quigley says

Until the whole world recognizes that Islam is a horrible religion that is not to be tolerated, but quarantined like a deadly infectious disease, we will have no peace.

Well said. Thanks.

thunderlips11 says

How do you vet in a refugee camp,

If they believe in the sharia laws, they are terrorists.